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Cakes vs Pies! (Debate)
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31st July 2015, 04:42 AM
Pie vs Cake?
History's most delicious debate
Hello this is Mists and I'm here to find out which is better - Pies or Cakes?
This was a debate from October 9, 2013.
( you can skip the big part for a summary about what I think at the end )
Pie:
Pie Is Humble
“Unlike its gussied-up and admittedly lovely cousin, cake, the humble pie is born of economy and austerity—a testament to its makers’ thriftiness, prowess, and sensibility. If we wanna get all historical about it, we can look to the Egyptians’ use of dough as a cooking, serving and storage vessel. We can note Medieval Britain’s fetish for stuffing meats, dates, currants, and pepper into crusts (along with the occasional live bird and court dwarf) in order to serve and preserve it. The Pilgrims (who never got invited to the live bird pie parties, anyhow) adapted some of the same strategy when they set up shop in the New World (minus the whole morally dicey dwarf encasement part of it).”
Pie Is Honest
Cake’s “flaws, both cosmetic and culinary, can easily be ameliorated with the application of a whole lot of frou-frou crap. Sometimes the cake is a lie. But pie: pie is naked, unapologetic, and honest. It eschews geometric perfection and requires no extra adornment.”
Pie Is Your Friend
“Cake, in its most exalted form, is showy. It is smooth-edged, statuesque, and…almost ‘too pretty to eat.’ It is Carrie Underwood to pie’s June Carter Cash (and frankly, who’d you rather have at your table?).”
Pie Is Skill
“To make a perfectly socially acceptable…cake these days, you don’t actually need to know much of the art of cake making”… But if you are “crafting” a pie crust, “it’s most likely because at some point in your life, someone thought well enough of you to stand beside you at a counter and gift the muscle memory from her hands to yours. Your mother, your aunt, your grandmother, or—heaven forfend—your mother-in-law decided it was time to truly assume you into the sisterhood. She guided your fingers as they worked the flour into the fat, flicked in the water, and kneaded it all to the proper mass.”
Pie Is Currency
“As we all know, in the South, there is perhaps no currency more vaunted and valuable than having a recipe with an ingredient that no one else can figure out… So while there is now a particular canon of classic pie formats—your fruit pies, cream pies, nut pies, custard pies, chocolate pies, meringue pies, molasses pies, mince pies, sweet potato pies, onion pies à la Eudora Welty, savory meat pies, not to mention single crust, double crust, lattice crust, hand pies, and so on—there is enough variance to allow each happy homemaker to put her own stamp upon it. And believe that hers is the superior version.”
Cakes :
Cake Is Essential
“Like family and church, cake is one of the pillars of Southern culture. Cake’s position as the cultural currency for Southern women is of such importance that I have worn a dress. It is the first time I have been in a dress in more than 20 years.”
Cake Is History
“There are cakes invented to honor presidents, like the dense, creamy fruitcake named after George Washington. We have the Robert E. Lee cake, made with soft sponge cake and tart citrus, because the Confederate commander loved it.”
Cake Is Community
“Cakes were sold to rebuild churches in the aftermath of the Civil War and are still the preferred vehicle at bake sales. The very best cake would go first at the community dinner, and its baker elevated to something no pie would ever allow her to achieve.”
Cake Can Get You Out of Trouble
“If pies are folk art, cakes are masterpieces. And they don’t try to break you out of prison with a pie.”
Cake Is Life
“Cake is the marker of holidays and life events, a way to say this thing, this moment, has meaning. Real meaning. One has a wedding cake, not a wedding pie. More than 350,000 babies are born each month. And when they turn one, according to brand new research commissioned by Betty Crocker and unearthed by the crack research team of cake supporters at Food & Wine magazine, 58 percent of mothers say watching their one-year-olds dive into their first birthday cake is the most memorable moment of the child’s party"
Summary from google:
Pies
Traditionally, after a pie was baked in the hot oven, it would be placed on the windowsill of the kitchen to cool off before serving. While there, though, the pie had to be vigilantly watched so hungry people (traditionally homeless people or unruly children) wouldn't snatch it.
Popular characters from "The Little Rascals" and "O Brother! Where Art Thou?" to The Simpsons and Yogi Bear have stolen pies off of windowsills. People have even done performative art experiments about pie stealing. In 2011, an open case was filed against a pie-snatcher in Cedar Rapids, Michigan.
Why isn't the same true for cakes? In short, no one needs to steal a cake, because they can buy a cake mix at the store for three bucks and make one. Making a pie is an art. It requires careful attention to the crust and the filling, as well as intricate instructions, even if the pie crust is (god forbid) store bought.
Cake
Served at weddings, first birthdays, golden anniversaries, going aways, graduations, and holidays, cakes have been the way humans tell other humans they matter, and that this moment they are sharing matters. These important days, hours, and even minutes are marked by cake. And in these moments, these celebrations, cake is the final hurrah, a last burst of togetherness before sending people on their way. That's not to say that pies don't have their moments, because they do serve as the dessert of choice at funerals and layoffs. ( Hehe )
What do you think friends?
Comment below, until then...
History's most delicious debate
Hello this is Mists and I'm here to find out which is better - Pies or Cakes?
This was a debate from October 9, 2013.
( you can skip the big part for a summary about what I think at the end )
Pie:
Pie Is Humble
“Unlike its gussied-up and admittedly lovely cousin, cake, the humble pie is born of economy and austerity—a testament to its makers’ thriftiness, prowess, and sensibility. If we wanna get all historical about it, we can look to the Egyptians’ use of dough as a cooking, serving and storage vessel. We can note Medieval Britain’s fetish for stuffing meats, dates, currants, and pepper into crusts (along with the occasional live bird and court dwarf) in order to serve and preserve it. The Pilgrims (who never got invited to the live bird pie parties, anyhow) adapted some of the same strategy when they set up shop in the New World (minus the whole morally dicey dwarf encasement part of it).”
Pie Is Honest
Cake’s “flaws, both cosmetic and culinary, can easily be ameliorated with the application of a whole lot of frou-frou crap. Sometimes the cake is a lie. But pie: pie is naked, unapologetic, and honest. It eschews geometric perfection and requires no extra adornment.”
Pie Is Your Friend
“Cake, in its most exalted form, is showy. It is smooth-edged, statuesque, and…almost ‘too pretty to eat.’ It is Carrie Underwood to pie’s June Carter Cash (and frankly, who’d you rather have at your table?).”
Pie Is Skill
“To make a perfectly socially acceptable…cake these days, you don’t actually need to know much of the art of cake making”… But if you are “crafting” a pie crust, “it’s most likely because at some point in your life, someone thought well enough of you to stand beside you at a counter and gift the muscle memory from her hands to yours. Your mother, your aunt, your grandmother, or—heaven forfend—your mother-in-law decided it was time to truly assume you into the sisterhood. She guided your fingers as they worked the flour into the fat, flicked in the water, and kneaded it all to the proper mass.”
Pie Is Currency
“As we all know, in the South, there is perhaps no currency more vaunted and valuable than having a recipe with an ingredient that no one else can figure out… So while there is now a particular canon of classic pie formats—your fruit pies, cream pies, nut pies, custard pies, chocolate pies, meringue pies, molasses pies, mince pies, sweet potato pies, onion pies à la Eudora Welty, savory meat pies, not to mention single crust, double crust, lattice crust, hand pies, and so on—there is enough variance to allow each happy homemaker to put her own stamp upon it. And believe that hers is the superior version.”
Cakes :
Cake Is Essential
“Like family and church, cake is one of the pillars of Southern culture. Cake’s position as the cultural currency for Southern women is of such importance that I have worn a dress. It is the first time I have been in a dress in more than 20 years.”
Cake Is History
“There are cakes invented to honor presidents, like the dense, creamy fruitcake named after George Washington. We have the Robert E. Lee cake, made with soft sponge cake and tart citrus, because the Confederate commander loved it.”
Cake Is Community
“Cakes were sold to rebuild churches in the aftermath of the Civil War and are still the preferred vehicle at bake sales. The very best cake would go first at the community dinner, and its baker elevated to something no pie would ever allow her to achieve.”
Cake Can Get You Out of Trouble
“If pies are folk art, cakes are masterpieces. And they don’t try to break you out of prison with a pie.”
Cake Is Life
“Cake is the marker of holidays and life events, a way to say this thing, this moment, has meaning. Real meaning. One has a wedding cake, not a wedding pie. More than 350,000 babies are born each month. And when they turn one, according to brand new research commissioned by Betty Crocker and unearthed by the crack research team of cake supporters at Food & Wine magazine, 58 percent of mothers say watching their one-year-olds dive into their first birthday cake is the most memorable moment of the child’s party"
Summary from google:
Pies
Traditionally, after a pie was baked in the hot oven, it would be placed on the windowsill of the kitchen to cool off before serving. While there, though, the pie had to be vigilantly watched so hungry people (traditionally homeless people or unruly children) wouldn't snatch it.
Popular characters from "The Little Rascals" and "O Brother! Where Art Thou?" to The Simpsons and Yogi Bear have stolen pies off of windowsills. People have even done performative art experiments about pie stealing. In 2011, an open case was filed against a pie-snatcher in Cedar Rapids, Michigan.
Why isn't the same true for cakes? In short, no one needs to steal a cake, because they can buy a cake mix at the store for three bucks and make one. Making a pie is an art. It requires careful attention to the crust and the filling, as well as intricate instructions, even if the pie crust is (god forbid) store bought.
Cake
Served at weddings, first birthdays, golden anniversaries, going aways, graduations, and holidays, cakes have been the way humans tell other humans they matter, and that this moment they are sharing matters. These important days, hours, and even minutes are marked by cake. And in these moments, these celebrations, cake is the final hurrah, a last burst of togetherness before sending people on their way. That's not to say that pies don't have their moments, because they do serve as the dessert of choice at funerals and layoffs. ( Hehe )
What do you think friends?
Comment below, until then...
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31st July 2015, 09:34 AM
Well, I am gonna go with cake. It is so delicious, creamy, and amazinggg.... Chocolate cake, ice cream cake, oreo cake, cheesecake. Mmmmmm... I am not really a big fan of pie. I just don't really like the crust or whatever and sometimes what is inside of it. Like, apple pie is kind of just a bunch of sweetened apple mush inside of a pie crust.
Your hand fits in mine like it's made just for me
But bear this mind it was meant to be
And I'm joining up the dots with the freckles on your cheeks
And it all makes sense to me
I know you've never loved the crinkles by your eyes when you smile
You've never loved your stomach or your thighs
The dimples in your back at the bottom of your spine
But I'll love them endlessly
I won't let these little things slip out of my mouth
But if I do, it's you, oh it's you, they add up to
I'm in love with you and all these little things
You can't go to bed without a cup of tea
Maybe that's the reason that you talk in your sleep
And all those conversations are the secrets that I keep
Though it makes no sense to me
I know you've never loved the sound of your voice on tape
You never want to know how much you weigh
You still have to squeeze into your jeans
But you're perfect to me
I won't let these little things slips out of my mouth
But if it's true, it's you, it's you, they add up to
I'm in love with you and all these little things
You never love yourself half as much as I love you
You'll never treat yourself right darling but I want you to
If I let you know, I'm here for you
Maybe you'll love yourself like I love you oh
I've just let these little things slip out of my mouth
Because it's you, oh it's you, it's you they add up to
And I'm in love with you (all these little things)
I won't let these little things slip out of my mouth
But if it's true, it's you, it's you they add up to
I'm in love with you, and all your little things
I'm in love with 1D and all Niall's little things
But bear this mind it was meant to be
And I'm joining up the dots with the freckles on your cheeks
And it all makes sense to me
I know you've never loved the crinkles by your eyes when you smile
You've never loved your stomach or your thighs
The dimples in your back at the bottom of your spine
But I'll love them endlessly
I won't let these little things slip out of my mouth
But if I do, it's you, oh it's you, they add up to
I'm in love with you and all these little things
You can't go to bed without a cup of tea
Maybe that's the reason that you talk in your sleep
And all those conversations are the secrets that I keep
Though it makes no sense to me
I know you've never loved the sound of your voice on tape
You never want to know how much you weigh
You still have to squeeze into your jeans
But you're perfect to me
I won't let these little things slips out of my mouth
But if it's true, it's you, it's you, they add up to
I'm in love with you and all these little things
You never love yourself half as much as I love you
You'll never treat yourself right darling but I want you to
If I let you know, I'm here for you
Maybe you'll love yourself like I love you oh
I've just let these little things slip out of my mouth
Because it's you, oh it's you, it's you they add up to
And I'm in love with you (all these little things)
I won't let these little things slip out of my mouth
But if it's true, it's you, it's you they add up to
I'm in love with you, and all your little things
I'm in love with 1D and all Niall's little things
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31st July 2015, 11:15 AM
Cake especially cupcakes! I made toblerone cupcakes and I will be posting the recipe soon yay
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