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MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
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EbonJaeger wrote on 20th May 2019, 11:09 AM:
Jake01 wrote on 20th May 2019, 10:20 AM:
I incline towards pro-life only because that’s the only way the human race is gonna keep going, basically.
Abortion isn't going to somehow end the human race, that's frankly quite silly.
I incline towards pro-life only because that’s the only way the human race is gonna keep going, basically.
Abortion isn't going to somehow end the human race, that's frankly quite silly.
hahahha i know i've seen like 3 people write this, it's just complete ignorance.
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Jibreel1024 wrote on 21st May 2019, 02:37 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
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MuscleBob1 wrote on 21st May 2019, 04:55 PM:
Jibreel1024 wrote on 21st May 2019, 02:37 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
Nobody is disrespecting your opinions. She's not saying that you can't literally talk, as in the physical sense of being able to use your voice to express thoughts. Everyone can scream, shout, and talk, but the content of our sayings, that's what matters, not the noises are mere sound waves. She's saying that you do not have the experience to comprove your thesis. Obviously, men will never be able to completely understand this, because women experience and live it. Even if a girl is not pregnant, she experiences all the conventional feminine problems, she has lived and experienced it.
This is even a scientific problem. If you want to speak of something properly, with propriety and authority over that subject, you must have studied that subject previously. But this study is practically impossible. Me and you, both men, we will never understand how it feels to be pregnant. The problem here is quite simple to understand: men creating laws and impositions to restrict women because they don't really understand them. After all, everyone knows that it's very easy to say "don't abort" when you don't have an uterus.
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CoolLloyd wrote on 21st May 2019, 05:57 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 21st May 2019, 04:55 PM:
Jibreel1024 wrote on 21st May 2019, 02:37 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
Nobody is disrespecting your opinions. She's not saying that you can't literally talk, as in the physical sense of being able to use your voice to express thoughts. Everyone can scream, shout, and talk, but the content of our sayings, that's what matters, not the noises are mere sound waves. She's saying that you do not have the experience to comprove your thesis. Obviously, men will never be able to completely understand this, because women experience and live it. Even if a girl is not pregnant, she experiences all the conventional feminine problems, she has lived and experienced it.
This is even a scientific problem. If you want to speak of something properly, with propriety and authority over that subject, you must have studied that subject previously. But this study is practically impossible. Me and you, both men, we will never understand how it feels to be pregnant. The problem here is quite simple to understand: men creating laws and impositions to restrict women because they don't really understand them. After all, everyone knows that it's very easy to say "don't abort" when you don't have an uterus.
Jibreel1024 wrote on 21st May 2019, 02:37 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
Nobody is disrespecting your opinions. She's not saying that you can't literally talk, as in the physical sense of being able to use your voice to express thoughts. Everyone can scream, shout, and talk, but the content of our sayings, that's what matters, not the noises are mere sound waves. She's saying that you do not have the experience to comprove your thesis. Obviously, men will never be able to completely understand this, because women experience and live it. Even if a girl is not pregnant, she experiences all the conventional feminine problems, she has lived and experienced it.
This is even a scientific problem. If you want to speak of something properly, with propriety and authority over that subject, you must have studied that subject previously. But this study is practically impossible. Me and you, both men, we will never understand how it feels to be pregnant. The problem here is quite simple to understand: men creating laws and impositions to restrict women because they don't really understand them. After all, everyone knows that it's very easy to say "don't abort" when you don't have an uterus.
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In responce to bob "neither of us have been pregnant" I never said I have been pregnant before. But I have had my period before and that's HELL even at my age of 14, and im guessing being pregnant is 100x worse than your period, and if I was 11 years old I sure as hell wouldn't want to deal with that, especially after me being raped. Not only I would have been raped but now I'm fathering my abusers child at age 11.
If you think it wouldn't be a good idea to then abort, I just don't even know anything anymore.
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MuscleBob1 wrote on 21st May 2019, 04:55 PM:
Jibreel1024 wrote on 21st May 2019, 02:37 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.
There are many flaws in your response. First of all, it is physically impossible to change your sex. Second of all, according to your logic, if I can't have an opinion on the topic of abortion, neither can you, considering neither of us have been pregnant before. I'm simply stating my personal beliefs on the topic and you're acting like I'm not allowed to do that. I respect everyone's views and reasonings on this topic, so I'd be grateful if people could respect my beliefs as well.
i respect that you believe life starts at fertilization and that because of that abortion is murder and should be illegal, however where life actually starts is very controversial and we all have different views on the matter. as someone who is pro-choice, i believe that every woman should have the right and ability to make informed decisions about her own body and the fetus inside her and any woman that believes abortion is murder has the right to not get one. i also think men are entitled to their opinion on the matter, however you will never be pregnant so you will never have to make this choice for yourself. i don't believe women should run around making this choice for other women either. people should not be forced to keep an unwanted child, and people should not be forced into having an abortion either, it is an individual and personal choice for each and every pregnant woman.
i would also like to remind you that with every pregnancy there is risk (all though rare) for unexpected long term complications and disease that can not be detected or predetermined until it is too late. if you believe that women should have the right to abortion in the case that the mother's life is knowingly at risk, it is worth taking into consideration that autoimmune diseases and other illnesses (sometimes with no symptoms before pregnancy) can be exacerbated because of the trauma of pregnancy and delivery and cause a horrible quality of life and premature death. a woman may have no way of knowing she has these illnesses until after pregnancy has exacerbated her disease.
(i want to note that procedures such as surgery and abortion can also exacerbate autoimmune diseases and other illnesses but it is much less likely)
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1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
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Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
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Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
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CoolLloyd wrote on 23rd May 2019, 06:23 PM:
Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
Good for child, good for carer (whoever it ends up being)
Killing babies is hardly 'good' for anyone, no matter how entitled we think we are
It disturbs me deeply that this is even a debate in our society... but what can I expect from a me-first culture like ours
it was only hypothetical
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Damen wrote on 24th May 2019, 03:47 AM:
CoolLloyd wrote on 23rd May 2019, 06:23 PM:
Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
Good for child, good for carer (whoever it ends up being)
Killing babies is hardly 'good' for anyone, no matter how entitled we think we are
It disturbs me deeply that this is even a debate in our society... but what can I expect from a me-first culture like ours
Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
Good for child, good for carer (whoever it ends up being)
Killing babies is hardly 'good' for anyone, no matter how entitled we think we are
It disturbs me deeply that this is even a debate in our society... but what can I expect from a me-first culture like ours
We are not really speaking in axiological terms (good or bad) but through ethical terms (right or wrong). I hardly imagine somebody saying that having an abortion is a "good thing", it's a very traumatic process and women know that.
I don't think that this debate is disturbing. Everything should be discussed.
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My account's been pretty dead for a while but I thought I would submit some thoughts on this. Personally, I am anti-abortion but generally, I am pro-choice. If your only logic for a woman who has been impregnated is to "not be irresponsible," why the hell would you trust her for 9 months plus a lifetime with a child? Also if you tell women to put these children up for adoption, then you should have adopted a child. Don't want to? Then you're not pro-life if you're gonna leave that child alone in a foster home. Also, children in foster care are 2.5 times more likely to contemplate suicide than those who are not. Maybe we should be taking care of the kids already in foster care rather than concerning ourselves with embryos that will likely overcrowd those in foster care. Lastly, embryos cannot feel or be in pain like a newborn baby or even a fetus in the 2nd trimester. They cannot feel pain until 18-20 weeks of pregnancy. Most women have aborted embryos before then. If anyone aborts after the 2nd trimester, it is most likely out of health of the mother or baby which is the most important thing. Let women have a choice because all y'all are running around with semiautomatic rifles and supporting war, but when women are allowed to have a say about their own bodies, suddenly that's outrageous? Set your priorities straight.
P.S. speaking from a woman's standpoint, I have been sexually assaulted. Thankfully, I was not impregnated but if I had to go through a pregnancy at the ripe age of 10 years old, it would absolutely destroy me. Having to carry through 9 months of pregnancy would absolutely destroy me. Trust me, no one has abortions for fun. Usually people who have abortions are ones who are scared, unprepared to bring a child in the world and you should definitely trust me with this one; having to raise a child in poverty or any unfavorable condition is a terrible, terrible thing and I would never wish it on anyone. So people who have abortions have them for personal reasons which will benefit them when they ARE ready to have a child.
P.S. speaking from a woman's standpoint, I have been sexually assaulted. Thankfully, I was not impregnated but if I had to go through a pregnancy at the ripe age of 10 years old, it would absolutely destroy me. Having to carry through 9 months of pregnancy would absolutely destroy me. Trust me, no one has abortions for fun. Usually people who have abortions are ones who are scared, unprepared to bring a child in the world and you should definitely trust me with this one; having to raise a child in poverty or any unfavorable condition is a terrible, terrible thing and I would never wish it on anyone. So people who have abortions have them for personal reasons which will benefit them when they ARE ready to have a child.
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CoolLloyd wrote on 24th May 2019, 12:46 PM:
Damen wrote on 24th May 2019, 03:47 AM:
CoolLloyd wrote on 23rd May 2019, 06:23 PM:
Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
Good for child, good for carer (whoever it ends up being)
Killing babies is hardly 'good' for anyone, no matter how entitled we think we are
It disturbs me deeply that this is even a debate in our society... but what can I expect from a me-first culture like ours
We are not really speaking in axiological terms (good or bad) but through ethical terms (right or wrong). I hardly imagine somebody saying that having an abortion is a "good thing", it's a very traumatic process and women know that.
I don't think that this debate is disturbing. Everything should be discussed.
CoolLloyd wrote on 23rd May 2019, 06:23 PM:
Damen wrote on 23rd May 2019, 12:37 PM:
1 Corinthians 13:4 says
Quote:
Love is patient and kind ... Love does not look for its own interests.
Letting the child live and giving it the best upbringing you can is surely the best way of making good out of a crappy situation right?
Making good? What is good? Good for society, for the child or for the pregnant woman?
Good for child, good for carer (whoever it ends up being)
Killing babies is hardly 'good' for anyone, no matter how entitled we think we are
It disturbs me deeply that this is even a debate in our society... but what can I expect from a me-first culture like ours
We are not really speaking in axiological terms (good or bad) but through ethical terms (right or wrong). I hardly imagine somebody saying that having an abortion is a "good thing", it's a very traumatic process and women know that.
I don't think that this debate is disturbing. Everything should be discussed.
This is the problem... We invent words and complicated ideas to justify our selfish desires. And anyway, right and wrong are the same thing as good and bad...