as the "has oldcp ruined my life?" posts keep rolling in, the point of this discussion gets more and more lost. i feel that it's important to reroute the conversation and attempt to bring us back to the real topic at hand, as i find it interesting to talk about.

oldcp's community values have been a prevalent set of rules since the community was founded. treat others the way you would like to be treated, always be forgiving when someone is sorry, etcetera. the word "paradox" comes into play when you realize that the backbone of oldcp, things such as crimezone and the rank pyramid, can easily enable someone to go against these very values via roleplay. it becomes very important for someone to have a strong will, because in an environment like a competitive good versus evil roleplay storyline, negative traits that someone may have begin to flourish. as players make real friends in said environment, it also becomes difficult to separate what's real from what's only a character.

okay, so stay headstrong in the community values, despite being in such a competitive and evil-enabling environment. it's easy enough for most of us. but what about someone like sriram who doesn't have the capacity to stay calm in pressured situations? has an online atmosphere like this enabled him to accept parts of him that may not be appropriate in real life scenarios? what about those who joined the community at an age as young as seven? can the same happen to them? that's where the paradox really hits hard. we promote these good values, and yet we give weak-minded people an environment to let their innermost negative feelings run wild in the form of siding with evil, harassment that is not always dealt with, and using in-game power over others.

has oldcp "ruined" my life? no, it hasn't. it's easy for a lot of people to answer the same way, but we must respect that there are a few individuals who might feel like the statement does apply to them in some ways, many of which would not be around the community today to answer the question. however, that question is only a small piece of what we should consider.

what kind of effect has oldcp had on you? positive or negative? i'd love to hear your response.

Lmaooo nobody even replied

anyone can stay calm in a pressured situation, the debate is if they actually want to. if he, or anyone else in the same position as him, cannot handle the pressure, then they shouldn't be allowed to be a certain rank, such as administrator. i am 100% sure the administrator rank holds a lot of responsibility, and we need to accept that not everyone is suited for that type of pressure.

now back to this paradox chain. i would like to say what i have seen in myself over the past five years.

i used to be innocent. very, very innocent. people have told me i was always kind and i never initiated arguments / fights. when i joined oldcp, i was only nine years old, like a lot of us here. that's pretty young. and over the course of five years, people normally would grow up, and not particularly in a good or bad way. i certainly have grown since i was nine, but the question of "if it was for better or worse", there's no answer for that. we're all still growing, trying to discover who we are.

in that case, i think oldcp had impacted us. nobody's 'lives' were ruined, because if that were the case, you wouldn't be making a post whether or not oldcp had ruined your life. hell, you wouldn't be viewing this discussion right now.

Narcissa wrote on 5th March 2020, 07:43 AM:

anyone can stay calm in a pressured situation, the debate is if they actually want to. if he, or anyone else in the same position as him, cannot handle the pressure, then they shouldn't be allowed to be a certain rank, such as administrator. i am 100% sure the administrator rank holds a lot of responsibility, and we need to accept that not everyone is suited for that type of pressure.

now back to this paradox chain. i would like to say what i have seen in myself over the past five years.

i used to be innocent. very, very innocent. people have told me i was always kind and i never initiated arguments / fights. when i joined oldcp, i was only nine years old, like a lot of us here. that's pretty young. and over the course of five years, people normally would grow up, and not particularly in a good or bad way. i certainly have grown since i was nine, but the question of "if it was for better or worse", there's no answer for that. we're all still growing, trying to discover who we are.

in that case, i think oldcp had impacted us. nobody's 'lives' were ruined, because if that were the case, you wouldn't be making a post whether or not oldcp had ruined your life. hell, you wouldn't be viewing this discussion right now.

i agree, it's really important to assess whether or not someone is suited for certain positions. i think it's less of, as an example, "the administrator rank is damaging" and more of "the administrator rank can be damaging if given to the wrong person." i really think the 'oldcp has ruined lives' statement is a high exaggeration, but the game can definitely have an impact on someone, like it has on you or me.

Frogs wrote on 5th March 2020, 07:28 AM:

Lmaooo nobody even replied

gg :'(

When you play Fortnite you're meant to kill each other, but Epic Games tells you to respect other players as part of their rules.

The 'paradox' here is that you can't respect someone and kill them. But its not actually a paradox because the roleplay in the game isn't real life.

In short, you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world.

If you can't understand that then you probably spend too much time online and it all starts to seem real.

This is almost like, video games make school shooters. Its widely accepted by many to be untrue.

And to say Sriram can't stay calm in pressurised situations is just not very nice because he now has the ability to if he chooses to. I can say this because I've seen how he's progressed. He's not a person that's unable to control himself on a game like oldcp.

The recent times he has acted badly was his OWN choice. So oldcp is not to blame for Sriram's actions.

Damen wrote on 5th March 2020, 10:25 AM:

When you play Fortnite you're meant to kill each other, but Epic Games tells you to respect other players as part of their rules.
The 'paradox' here is that you can't respect someone and kill them. But its not actually a paradox because the roleplay in the game isn't real life.
In short, you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world.
If you can't understand that then you probably spend too much time online and it all starts to seem real.
This is almost like, video games make school shooters. Its widely accepted by many to be untrue.
And to say Sriram can't stay calm in pressurised situations is just not very nice because he now has the ability to if he chooses to. I can say this because I've seen how he's progressed. He's not a person that's unable to control himself on a game like oldcp.
The recent times he has acted badly was his OWN choice. So oldcp is not to blame for Sriram's actions.

oldcp isn't to blame for srirams actions, but the users of oldcp definitely treated sriram horribly for years. i would say since he was often given roles that other users felt he didnt deserve (since he did abuse his powers and didn't seem fit for them) many many people would bully him. i believe the administration was doing the best they could with this, sriram was a special case considering his dedication to oldcp. he truly seemed to have a passion for the game that others didnt, and in some ways that made him more fitting of a rank than anyone. truthfully, nothing that has happened here is the fault of oldcp, it's how us as users decided to behave. hopefully these posts will make people realize that even though we are online, our words matter, can hurt, and have consequences.

Damen wrote on 5th March 2020, 10:25 AM:

When you play Fortnite you're meant to kill each other, but Epic Games tells you to respect other players as part of their rules.

The 'paradox' here is that you can't respect someone and kill them. But its not actually a paradox because the roleplay in the game isn't real life.

In short, you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world.

If you can't understand that then you probably spend too much time online and it all starts to seem real.

This is almost like, video games make school shooters. Its widely accepted by many to be untrue.

And to say Sriram can't stay calm in pressurised situations is just not very nice because he now has the ability to if he chooses to. I can say this because I've seen how he's progressed. He's not a person that's unable to control himself on a game like oldcp.

The recent times he has acted badly was his OWN choice. So oldcp is not to blame for Sriram's actions.

actually you hit the nail on the head by saying "you can't respect someone and kill them." i think that's a simplified version of the point i'm trying to get across, in a sort of metaphorical way.

saying "you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world" is true for most of us, but there are a few people for whom this isn't as easy of a concept, namely younger people or those who join with prior emotional or otherwise mental struggles. i think it's easy for people like this to feel truly hurt by some actions in-game, as a very simple example: there are a few ranks which you can receive by killing someone who currently holds said rank. imagine a sensitive person is holding that rank and someone they consider a trustworthy friend kills them for it. i think it's clear that something like this could make someone feel truly betrayed.

as for the statement on sriram, i'm sorry if that came across rudely. i'm only speaking based on past events which i've witnessed. if he's become a better person, good on him, i'm happy about it.

Deenie wrote on 5th March 2020, 11:47 AM:

truthfully, nothing that has happened here is the fault of oldcp, it's how us as users decided to behave. hopefully these posts will make people realize that even though we are online, our words matter, can hurt, and have consequences.

i can 100% agree with this, and i hope talking about it can open people up to being more empathetic of others, despite any jealousy or frustration.

Chelsey wrote on 5th March 2020, 12:14 PM:

Quote:

Damen wrote on 5th March 2020, 10:25 AM:
When you play Fortnite you're meant to kill each other, but Epic Games tells you to respect other players as part of their rules.
The 'paradox' here is that you can't respect someone and kill them. But its not actually a paradox because the roleplay in the game isn't real life.
In short, you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world.
If you can't understand that then you probably spend too much time online and it all starts to seem real.
This is almost like, video games make school shooters. Its widely accepted by many to be untrue.
And to say Sriram can't stay calm in pressurised situations is just not very nice because he now has the ability to if he chooses to. I can say this because I've seen how he's progressed. He's not a person that's unable to control himself on a game like oldcp.
The recent times he has acted badly was his OWN choice. So oldcp is not to blame for Sriram's actions.

actually you hit the nail on the head by saying "you can't respect someone and kill them." i think that's a simplified version of the point i'm trying to get across, in a sort of metaphorical way.
saying "you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world" is true for most of us, but there are a few people for whom this isn't as easy of a concept, namely younger people or those who join with prior emotional or otherwise mental struggles. i think it's easy for people like this to feel truly hurt by some actions in-game, as a very simple example: there are a few ranks which you can receive by killing someone who currently holds said rank. imagine a sensitive person is holding that rank and someone they consider a trustworthy friend kills them for it. i think it's clear that something like this could make someone feel truly betrayed.
as for the statement on sriram, i'm sorry if that came across rudely. i'm only speaking based on past events which i've witnessed. if he's become a better person, good on him, i'm happy about it.
Deenie wrote on 5th March 2020, 11:47 AM:
truthfully, nothing that has happened here is the fault of oldcp, it's how us as users decided to behave. hopefully these posts will make people realize that even though we are online, our words matter, can hurt, and have consequences.
i can 100% agree with this, and i hope talking about it can open people up to being more empathetic of others, despite any jealousy or frustration.

"Enjoy the game, we're all here to have fun" - Epic Games Community Rules

So please make the right choice, all who read this and treat others the way you would wish to be treated.

It is the responsibility of parents and carers to decide if their vulnerable child should be playing games like Fortnite or OldCP.

My responsibility is to do what is reasonable and practical for all audiences

Damen wrote on 5th March 2020, 12:23 PM:

Quote:

Chelsey wrote on 5th March 2020, 12:14 PM:
Quote:
Damen wrote on 5th March 2020, 10:25 AM:
When you play Fortnite you're meant to kill each other, but Epic Games tells you to respect other players as part of their rules.
The 'paradox' here is that you can't respect someone and kill them. But its not actually a paradox because the roleplay in the game isn't real life.
In short, you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world.
If you can't understand that then you probably spend too much time online and it all starts to seem real.
This is almost like, video games make school shooters. Its widely accepted by many to be untrue.
And to say Sriram can't stay calm in pressurised situations is just not very nice because he now has the ability to if he chooses to. I can say this because I've seen how he's progressed. He's not a person that's unable to control himself on a game like oldcp.
The recent times he has acted badly was his OWN choice. So oldcp is not to blame for Sriram's actions.

actually you hit the nail on the head by saying "you can't respect someone and kill them." i think that's a simplified version of the point i'm trying to get across, in a sort of metaphorical way.
saying "you can easily differentiate between the 'game' and the real world" is true for most of us, but there are a few people for whom this isn't as easy of a concept, namely younger people or those who join with prior emotional or otherwise mental struggles. i think it's easy for people like this to feel truly hurt by some actions in-game, as a very simple example: there are a few ranks which you can receive by killing someone who currently holds said rank. imagine a sensitive person is holding that rank and someone they consider a trustworthy friend kills them for it. i think it's clear that something like this could make someone feel truly betrayed.
as for the statement on sriram, i'm sorry if that came across rudely. i'm only speaking based on past events which i've witnessed. if he's become a better person, good on him, i'm happy about it.
Deenie wrote on 5th March 2020, 11:47 AM:
truthfully, nothing that has happened here is the fault of oldcp, it's how us as users decided to behave. hopefully these posts will make people realize that even though we are online, our words matter, can hurt, and have consequences.
i can 100% agree with this, and i hope talking about it can open people up to being more empathetic of others, despite any jealousy or frustration.
"Enjoy the game, we're all here to have fun" - Epic Games Community Rules
So please make the right choice, all who read this and treat others the way you would wish to be treated.
It is the responsibility of parents and carers to decide if their vulnerable child should be playing games like Fortnite or OldCP.
My responsibility is to do what is reasonable and practical for all audiences

Damen is trying to make OldCP x Fortnite confirmed?