Damen wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:47 PM:

Allow me to clarify why such a harsh punishment is now here for this sort of thing.
To understand it, you have to imagine you're me for a second.
If my players want their share to be on a rival OldCP, then they will have no share on my OldCP. I worked hard on it, see how many years I put into it. I worked hard on it for YOU to enjoy! I want you to enjoy it, but by doing so in a way which respects me and my hard work i.e. on oldcp.biz, not some other copy.
Now, if anyone wants to make a rival OldCP, do so using your OWN custom work, don't take mine and I shall have no issue with you playing it. But play an OldCP with my stuff copied into it and you will have no share with me.
This is only for a game which copies my work (weapons, files, any client code at even the smallest amount). If you still think its too harsh, then you may be struggling to understand how much this means to me.

Damen, your creation means so much to us and there’s no way we would abandon it for some revenge project.

Damen wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:47 PM:

Allow me to clarify why such a harsh punishment is now here for this sort of thing.
To understand it, you have to imagine you're me for a second.
If my players want their share to be on a rival OldCP, then they will have no share on my OldCP. I worked hard on it, see how many years I put into it. I worked hard on it for YOU to enjoy! I want you to enjoy it, but by doing so in a way which respects me and my hard work i.e. on oldcp.biz, not some other copy.
Now, if anyone wants to make a rival OldCP, do so using your OWN custom work, don't take mine and I shall have no issue with you playing it. But play an OldCP with my stuff copied into it and you will have no share with me.
This is only for a game which copies my work (weapons, files, any client code at even the smallest amount). If you still think its too harsh, then you may be struggling to understand how much this means to me.

Don't get me wrong, I respect you and all the hard work and creativity you've put into your games as well as this forum, and I'm grateful for all of it. But I think the main reason users are leaving is because they want more involvement in things, for example, making crimezone open to anyone like it was in 2013. Another example would be giving more users a chance at ranks, such as knight. I understand how much this means to you and I can definitely see how Lex is copying some aspects of OldCP, however the weapons are not all the same and I do not think your custom room files are being used for it; he's only taking some inspiration from your ideas.
I haven't played OldCP in a long time so my knowledge of current OldCP is not great, but from what I've heard from many others, the rules (and punishments) can sometimes be strict, and regular users are not always involved in the storyline or other events. I just feel like the community would be a better, more fun place if people with ranks didn't get all the attention and recognition. Again, I haven't played this game in a while so I don't know how it's changed, this is just from what I've seen in the past or recently heard about.

Damen wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:47 PM:

Allow me to clarify why such a harsh punishment is now here for this sort of thing.
To understand it, you have to imagine you're me for a second.
If my players want their share to be on a rival OldCP, then they will have no share on my OldCP. I worked hard on it, see how many years I put into it. I worked hard on it for YOU to enjoy! I want you to enjoy it, but by doing so in a way which respects me and my hard work i.e. on oldcp.biz, not some other copy.
Now, if anyone wants to make a rival OldCP, do so using your OWN custom work, don't take mine and I shall have no issue with you playing it. But play an OldCP with my stuff copied into it and you will have no share with me.
This is only for a game which copies my work (weapons, files, any client code at even the smallest amount). If you still think its too harsh, then you may be struggling to understand how much this means to me.

You're completely justified in being mad about your content being stolen. What threw me off was your sudden and harsh announcement regarding anyone who plays the game.

When certain individuals sold your content to others, you responded to it with a video in which you were pretty down-to-earth and modest about it. To see you suddenly take a stance like this was surprising, to say the least.

Orbay wrote on 22nd April 2020, 04:43 PM:

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Damen wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:47 PM:
Allow me to clarify why such a harsh punishment is now here for this sort of thing.
To understand it, you have to imagine you're me for a second.
If my players want their share to be on a rival OldCP, then they will have no share on my OldCP. I worked hard on it, see how many years I put into it. I worked hard on it for YOU to enjoy! I want you to enjoy it, but by doing so in a way which respects me and my hard work i.e. on oldcp.biz, not some other copy.
Now, if anyone wants to make a rival OldCP, do so using your OWN custom work, don't take mine and I shall have no issue with you playing it. But play an OldCP with my stuff copied into it and you will have no share with me.
This is only for a game which copies my work (weapons, files, any client code at even the smallest amount). If you still think its too harsh, then you may be struggling to understand how much this means to me.

You're completely justified in being mad about your content being stolen. What threw me off was your sudden and harsh announcement regarding anyone who plays the game.
When certain individuals sold your content to others, you responded to it with a video in which you were pretty down-to-earth and modest about it. To see you suddenly take a stance like this was surprising, to say the least.

He's taken this stance before but it wasn't enforced. But he is so tired of everything at this point and its obvious. Plus it sucks to have your own code and artwork snatched from you and to have your own playerbase support it and suddenly leave because of it. I know the game has issues but I feel like we have been going uphill lately when it comes to making the game more fun & having admins who can handle the amount of users we are getting right now.

Sleddy wrote on 22nd April 2020, 02:25 PM:

great quote from a person who hasn't played oldcp since 2014

The fact that the only time you think my argument is invalid because I’ve not played in years is full of utter crap. So just because I don’t mindlessly spend my days on a community anymore means that I don’t have the time to mature and grow? Look at you, you haven’t changed at all. In those years you’ve still proved to be incompetent and your responses on this thread prove that. Trying to highlight ignorance that I don’t have of this community only shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You think you were going to get rid of my argument that easily? Try harder.

Sleddy wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:00 PM:

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Sleddy wrote on 22nd April 2020, 02:25 PM:
great quote from a person who hasn't played oldcp since 2014

It should probably be a sign that some people are leaving from these flaws, not something just to brush off.
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oh no I know the flaws and I am trying my best to make it better. It's just funny to me because I have 0 respect for this particular person. He griefed the DSGHQ minecraft server with his friends so I could care less about what he has to say. I'll listen to anyone else who has issues with the game and try to fix those issues, but oh no, not this kid. Also he's been talking about me behind my back about stuff that happened two years ago. He needs to get a life.
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No, you aren't trying to make it better. Where's the proof I griefed anyways? Why would I grief a server that I literally do not care about anymore? You're so quick to make assumptions about me but when we reached out to you, you didn't do the thing that actually mattered. You let a spoiled brat of a moderator run loose and you wonder why we left. You wonder why the server didn't get any players and why it shut down. You should take a long look at yourself and acknowledge that YOU MESSED UP instead of taking out all your arrogance on me. You're only pissed because I used my voice to speak out against your problems in an essay for everyone to see. Yeah, I've been talking about you behind your back to show everyone just how incompetent you were. Have a problem against people talking about you behind your back? It's the Internet, for God's sake. People will do that in real life and the Internet. If you can't handle that, don't be in a position of power over kids on the Internet, if you can't handle someone such as little Timmy saying "Sled sucks!". I would've gotten a life, and completely quit the server if I realized beforehand how incompetent you were. Why do you think I'm still thinking about that? That statement alone shows that you do not know the consequences of your actions and you don't know what the power of being an administrator yields. That's very scary. The events that unfolded had an impact on me because you were a role model to me, but then I realized that you possessed the IQ of a chipmunk. Yeah Sled, completely forget that Bob posted here too, and used my quote because he agrees with my ideas. Instead of listening what he had to say, you completely diverted the argument to me. Not everything's about me. There are plenty of users who feel the same like me, but your arrogance does not allow you to see that. Grow up Sled, this isn't pre-2015. Your safe spot no longer exists on the DSGHQ, especially with me here. You can't hide from what you've done.

EbonJaeger wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:26 PM:

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MuscleBob1 wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:19 PM:
None of them ever griefed. But they did have solid evidence of a mod breaking the rules which you continued to censor from everyone else...which adds to my argument.

I was there. The "proof" was nonsense, verified by our own logs and investigation. There was no censoring because there was nothing to censor. Further, the logs indicated that if not directly them, people asked by them griefed the server. They were silly and said as much in the chat. So maybe leave all of the Minecraft stuff out of it.
Sled pours a lot of time into this place; she knows what's going on. She's not blind. But there is only so much she can do both by only being one person, and the level of control that she is allowed to have by Damen, which is not all that much it seems.
So maybe keep the focus on actual issues, hm?

You saying that worries me about your competence too. Those logs that we sent you, were FROM YOUR OWN SERVER. Your "investigation" was full of crap. The fact that you don't know how to access logs on your own server and say that they don't exist shows that I was more capable than you and that you had no idea what you were doing. That's worrisome, isn't it? But wait, the logs indicate that people asked by us came to grief the server? If your logs can't show that there was evidence of a wrongdoing committed by a moderator that actually happened, how can we trust it to show that something "did happen" involving us? All I see there is a bunch of bogus trying to twist it on us and refusing to acknowledge that you made any mistakes, which is what I warned about. But now from the looks of it, you guys wouldn't notice your mistakes if they hit you on the head for all I care.
Yes, I have made some mistakes. You know what I should've done? Bring this to light earlier, so the community could see your stupidity on this issue. Looks like that stupidity carries on to other issues too, which I am not surprised about. Classic Sled and Ebon, folks. Maybe you should've told Sled to control her sporadic bursts of anger so she wouldn't have brought up the Minecraft issue?

From the looks of what is going on now and what has happened in history, Sled is not capable of handling big issues. To add on my personal experience with her, she is only good for handling small issues. Not big issues that involve real administrator power; that is where she falls. Sled is one person but she seems to forget that she is in a position of power to call an ADMINISTRATOR TEAM. Maybe if she consulted a team instead of acting out on her own irresponsibility, I wouldn't have had a reason to respond.

Yes, let's focus on the real issues. Unlike what Sled has been doing, THE FIRST RESPONSE SHE POSTED. Sled tried to rip into me because she had no outstanding argument whatsoever. Tell her to really focus.

Damen wrote on 22nd April 2020, 03:47 PM:

Allow me to clarify why such a harsh punishment is now here for this sort of thing.
To understand it, you have to imagine you're me for a second.
If my players want their share to be on a rival OldCP, then they will have no share on my OldCP. I worked hard on it, see how many years I put into it. I worked hard on it for YOU to enjoy! I want you to enjoy it, but by doing so in a way which respects me and my hard work i.e. on oldcp.biz, not some other copy.
Now, if anyone wants to make a rival OldCP, do so using your OWN custom work, don't take mine and I shall have no issue with you playing it. But play an OldCP with my stuff copied into it and you will have no share with me.
This is only for a game which copies my work (weapons, files, any client code at even the smallest amount). If you still think its too harsh, then you may be struggling to understand how much this means to me.

Props to Damen for not responding like an animal unlike his fellow administrator Sled has. That's beside the point however. Yes, it can be hard if someone completely rips off your code. In your position, I can see why you would think at first this punishment would be reasonable. However you need to consider that there’s a reason this copy is getting traction. Why do you think that Lex’s CPPS has not been shut down to the ground yet by the community? Obviously, there are reasons that people are supporting this remake of a CPPS. You need to think about some inconsistencies that may occur in the community. Obviously, you cannot do that alone. You need a competent administrator team. However, I don't see them being much help especially with Sled on the team who can't handle big issues, like she has demonstrated in these series of posts. Also props to you for responding in a mature manner and proposing an ACTUAL SOLUTION to the problem like I did in my post which got skimmed over. If they do not listen to that advice then that's on them. However, you need to think of it like this: why do people think it's too harsh? Because choosing Lex's CPPS is a silent way of protest, believe or not. It also is a dead giveaway to the admins about the state of their server and what they need to do to change. Don't think of people leaving as people not understanding the value of hard work. Instead, take the events that have unfolded and reflect. I hope you prove to be as capable as I believe you are, and not like Sled who I've lost all hope for.

ForgotMyPassword wrote on 22nd April 2020, 07:06 PM:

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With respect, you have no idea what any investigation consisted of. Thank's for insulting our intelligence. Says more about you than me. Not even gonna bother to respond to the rest, it's clear you won't listen or care.

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oh no I know the flaws and I am trying my best to make it better. It's just funny to me because I have 0 respect for this particular person. He griefed the DSGHQ minecraft server with his friends so I could care less about what he has to say. I'll listen to anyone else who has issues with the game and try to fix those issues, but oh no, not this kid. Also he's been talking about me behind my back about stuff that happened two years ago. He needs to get a life.

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Sled pours a lot of time into this place; she knows what's going on. She's not blind. But there is only so much she can do both by only being one person, and the level of control that she is allowed to have by Damen, which is not all that much it seems.

Since this post has gone off topic ever since the arrival of Sled. I feel I might as well make a goodbye post out of this.
+ a parting gift.

You're right Ebon, Sled isn't blind, she does have very good eyes, good enough to know true art e.g. the Picasso painting of a naked mole rat I built as my parting gift from ChemiCraft. Sled may have good eyes. But I have a good nose, good enough to smell bullsh*t from a premium website such as por-... nvm, to a less pleasurable site such as the DSGHQ. The fact that you would accuse a kind hearted person like Zeternal to go as low as to kick a dead horse sickens me. You probably know, but just to give you a clearer picture..



The other slavic griefer was Damen ofc.

Now.
My name is Vance freaking Lance, I was an irrelevant OldCP user but thats fine cuz I was adopted by amazing friends on the DSGHQ Minecraft community. Zeternal, Bob, Tahir, Lloyd, Snev (God rest your pixel soul), Sled, Ebon, Tave, Donovan, Cocacola10, Crowflying, Hashir, BossmanFTheWorld and others, they know who they are. I became a 3x DSGHQ MC MODERATOR, 2x Builder. Thats it. 6th and 7th people I mentioned were AWESOME! ADIOS!

This is probably adding fuel to the publicity this new OldOldCP needs but I just felt the need to make a goodbye post here. Have a nice day, stay safe and wash your hands.

EbonJaeger wrote on 22nd April 2020, 07:20 PM:

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ForgotMyPassword wrote on 22nd April 2020, 07:06 PM:
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With respect, you have no idea what any investigation consisted of. Thank's for insulting our intelligence. Says more about you than me. Not even gonna bother to respond to the rest, it's clear you won't listen or care.

EbonJaeger wrote on 22nd April 2020, 07:20 PM:

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ForgotMyPassword wrote on 22nd April 2020, 07:06 PM:
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With respect, you have no idea what any investigation consisted of. Thank's for insulting our intelligence. Says more about you than me. Not even gonna bother to respond to the rest, it's clear you won't listen or care.

I have a pretty good idea that the investigation you conducted wasn't good enough because the target users were NOT DEMOTED. Yeah, the only thing it says that I was frustrated that the administrator team could be so incompetent to not listen to their loyal staff team who pointed out an issue. You're just not responding to the rest because it's clear that I have refuted you in your own territory. I have shown how full of crap your arguments are and you're just refusing to acknowledge that. When Sled posted her response, don't you think it also said a lot about her, more than me? Also, it's the Internet. Get used to it, DSGHQ is hardly a safe space where everyone can be nice to each other. Insult me all you want, I don't care. However, I have a reason to be mad and that is because you and Sled were dumb enough to add to the problem instead of solving it. Your dislike on my post in the first minute that it posted also shows that you didn't even bother reading the entire thing, and your understanding on this matter is limited compared to where I broke down details in my argument.

If you guys say so. Personally, I'm tired of rehashing the same conversation from 1.5 years ago, so I'm done. Ya'll have fun.