Sleddy wrote on 18th April 2021, 06:32 PM:

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Warth wrote on 18th April 2021, 05:48 PM:
oh is there a redemption for the people who got db and fs?

I don’t think so because he said people that have dB and file server would stay, which makes sense because it’s a hassle to train people with that and also hard to trust people with it as well...

eh there should be

This response is not meant to be rude in any way, shape or form. I do not like this reform at all, I feel like it's a bad idea and I'm going to be blunt about why that is. So I apologize in advance if this hurts anyone's feelings. It needs to be said and I'm not going to spend time sugarcoating this because then I'll just be lying to you about my true feelings and I'm not a liar.


- oldcp is dead, no offense. It won't be doing much. There's no point in merging an alive and thriving game in hopes that it'll revive a dead one. That'll just destroy them both.

- Many people actually don't like oldcp. They don't have good memories with the game and it would just make them not want to log on if the oldcp and ioldcp merged because many people play ioldcp to get away from oldcp. Alot of people that play ioldcp play it because they were bullied on oldcp and don't have good feelings playing oldcp anymore. Merging the two will just lead people to quit.

- ioldcp is perfectly fine as it is. I enjoy it as it is and so do some of the people I've talked to about it.

- PLEASE DO NOT HAVE OLDCP CZ MERGE OVER TO IOLDCP. oldcp cz has gotten repetitive, confusing and boring. ioldcp cz is actually comprehendible and fun. People on ioldcp can take part in CZ whereas in oldcp cz, you're either killed immediately or you're just ignored. And to be honest, more work has been put ioldcp cz- islands have been designed for it and vampires have made a comeback. Detectives in ioldcp actually do their jobs and it's fun to watch.

- Revives actually happen on ioldcp. oldcp, you've said revives would only happen if julian sacrifices himself which has brought down the appeal in logging on. Why log on if you're just going to die automatically to weapon abusers or bots?

- Majority of the people agreeing with the merge hate SG and only want someone else in charge (dislike this, you lot, that'll just cement my point) even though SG does giveaways, inputs new things and actually communicates with his userbase. (Not directed to you, just listing something SG does well that makes him a good warden)

- I feel that the ioldcp staff team is better than the oldcp staff team. They communicate frequently, they solve issues well and they've all shown they deserve the rank they have. A merge would just disrupt that. If you're going to do this merge, keep all the ioldcp staff.

- Database should not be given out like candy. Any admin should go through training before being given it and they should be checked thoroughly before being deemed trustworthy. That would prevent another situation like the one that happened last week or two weeks ago.

- The Warden should remain the same since nothing is actually changing.

- If you're gonna merge, restart the BOS list. If you're changing the way the games are, you might as well change that too. It's outdated and half the people on there either don't play or are no longer problematic and the only reason why some of them are still on there is because of staff bias. Majority of the staff focus on personal feelings. They don't take into consideration apologies, current actions, etc. They focus on the past. I've been called biased by staff for being friends with some BOS people whereas I've seen a staff member keep a person BOS simply because they didn't like them, which in my opinion is rather foolish.

But in reality, nothing is changing. It's going to be the exact same. There's no point in merging, it's not like ioldcp is gaining more members. And honestly, oldcp is being forgotten. An actual event hasn't happened on it since January. That was 3 months ago. Events that normally take place on oldcp now happen on P3D. In my opinion, it's better to just let oldcp die a peaceful death than scramble to keep it alive. Had you suggested this, say, 5 months ago, I'm sure it would've been welcomed. But you're just too late. We've wanted your attention on oldcp for a while now but the damage is just irreversible at this point. The game is officially dead. It's clear you're focused more on P3D and everyone else likes ioldcp as it is. Some people went to ioldcp to escape oldcp because they don't like it or they don't like the people. It's safe to say that if you do this merge, you're just gonna be driving a ton of people into leaving. I know that I, for one, will be one of them.

See Lokis reply on what you should do instead.

But then again, it's your game. It's your decision what you do with it. These are just my thoughts. Though you should understand, you're forcing something that nobody wants and is destined to fail. So honestly- please do not do this merge. I'm literally begging you.

I like the way stuff is ran right now to be honest, I think many people have grown out of Oldcp after years and years of playing it which is why the game is so empty now. Imo if this merge does happen, the people that are fine with the way things are right now are going to be upset and not like the way stuff is going to be run in the future if the merge does happen. But at the end of the day, this is your game so you make your decisions. But at the same time look at people's input on this decision before you make it

Warth wrote on 18th April 2021, 05:01 PM:

change the current warden of ioldcp

What's wrong with the current warden?

Tbh, I'm not entirely certain that this merge is a great idea.

Last time iOldCp was up and Sg lost warden to Brit the game died almost instantly when he was demoted from it. The game fell flat on its face and closed about two weeks later. Keep in mind, Brit was a qualified person to run the game (she'd had admin experience and had support from the community to become warden). So considering that, who do we really have in this community that could be the warden of iOldCp without losing its current userbase? It's unlikely that anyone is going to make the game really grow as the community is holding steady in its population. Most of the new users play P3D rather than OldCp or iOldCp.

I do agree with Orbay's idea of rather than appointing a new warden to iOldCp, holding elections to make a president to work alongside Orlock could be a good choice. iOldCp currently does have a president though I'm not sure what capacity they have to really get things done and make changes within the game. This would be kind of a meet in the middle of merging and not merging.

People are still willing to play OldCp if cz happens or if the game gets users playing regularly. I think that rather than merging the two games, appointing a warden to OldCp might get better results. The two games are kind of opposites to each other in respect to crimezone, staff, revives, etc. With the right warden, OldCp could perk around too. Honestly, I think that this would be a good thing to try before merging the two games. If it fails within a few months, the game's options could be discussed further.

SecurityGuy wrote on 18th April 2021, 11:37 PM:

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Warth wrote on 18th April 2021, 05:01 PM:
change the current warden of ioldcp

What's wrong with the current warden?

nothing but it's time to give chance to others.

Warth wrote on 18th April 2021, 11:56 PM:

nothing but it's time to give chance to others.

if this was giving others a chance, then why is this like the 3rd time damen's attempting to close ioldcp? also what is wrong with securityguy being the warden? i strongly believe that sg does a great job at what he does, and truly cares about the player base. brit was a qualified admin and became warden, ioldcp ended up closing two weeks later because it died. i like loki's paragraph regarding this.

Loki wrote on 18th April 2021, 11:53 PM:

Tbh, I'm not entirely certain that this merge is a great idea.
Last time iOldCp was up and Sg lost warden to Brit the game died almost instantly when he was demoted from it. The game fell flat on its face and closed about two weeks later. Keep in mind, Brit was a qualified person to run the game (she'd had admin experience and had support from the community to become warden). So considering that, who do we really have in this community that could be the warden of iOldCp without losing its current userbase? It's unlikely that anyone is going to make the game really grow as the community is holding steady in its population. Most of the new users play P3D rather than OldCp or iOldCp.

in my opinion, no one is really qualified to be the warden of ioldcp besides securityguy himself. he runs the game smoothly and will be the best emperor, hands down. pay more attention to statistics and ioldcp's activity. if anyone wanted to play oldcp, they'd log on because it's 24/7. instead, no one does. ioldcp is 3 days a week and I know a few people including myself that wait every day it's supposed to be online to log on. ioldcp is far from dead due to sg's efforts on improving the game. the game is user-focused and crimezone is based off what the people want. sg and others have spent over $80 total on ioldcp.

here is a screenshot of ioldcp having 15-17 people online at one time. oldcp usually has no one online. who else can uphold a playerbase like this (THAT IS QUALIFIED) besides sg?

a solution or compromise damen could come to in order to resolve this issue is to hire a warden for oldcp before considering a merge. everyone, including sg himself, doesn't want anyone's work to go to waste. people should try saving oldcp before trying to close a game that was paid to reopen.

Warth wrote on 18th April 2021, 11:56 PM:

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SecurityGuy wrote on 18th April 2021, 11:37 PM:
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Warth wrote on 18th April 2021, 05:01 PM:
change the current warden of ioldcp

What's wrong with the current warden?
nothing but it's time to give chance to others.

iOldCP runs better with sg. No one else.

I miss doing lotb work ): but that aside all this sounds good to me. feedback you're getting covers a lot of my thoughts too so I have not much else to add

Haloween1000 wrote on 19th April 2021, 08:38 AM:

Also, Orlock does well as warden, better than anyone else ever will be.

I agree. He’s active, online everyday, dedicated to the game, and works hard on it. And has a great team of people helping him. Not many others can achieve that as warden. Oldcp declined because it lacked an active leader that could change the game as much as SG can. It falls flat doing the same thing over the years. CZ was the only thing keeping oldcp alive

this may just be more contreversial than the super league

i dont care for any of this to be honest but my only advice is that the game and community itself obviously declined since it's thrive so listen to the users that for whatever reason are still here