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10th August 2020, 10:02 AM
Orbay wrote on 10th August 2020, 04:32 AM:
The reason people, including myself, were angry about the outcome of this wasn't because Sled wasn't permanently demoted or anything of the sort.
It was because people started pointing fingers at ALPHA, Falcon's military, and immediately assumed that he had done it, because "Sled certainly couldn't have done it."
They used the same excuse to accuse Falcon as they did to defend Sled: Lack of evidence.
Even when Falcon did prove legitimate evidence, he was then called a liar.
And when Sled did eventually confess, everyone who was mad about the missile suddenly became sunshine and rainbows, and "your actions don't define you queen!!!!" mode was engaged.
Not only was there bias, there was blatant hypocrisy and double standards.
I personally think bias is a bad thing. Regardless of who you are and what good deeds you've done as an individual, you are prone to making mistakes, like every human can. And when you do, you should face proper punishment, like every human should. Obviously we're not going to start hating on Sled, and we'll still support her because she's been a really helpful EH, but to post stuff like "Don't worry about the missile queen!!" AFTER you've bashed Falcon with insults for throwing a missile is blatant hypocrisy. And nobody even apologized until me, Fable, Eugee and some of the other boys insisted that whoever accused Falcon apologize immediately.
Bias is an unmistakable part of life, and whether someone can truly be purely unbiased is debatable, but as a human being, we should strive to be as unbiased as we can, so we don't let our favor in one thought or individual cause trouble for us.
Say your friend is having a fist fight with someone you don't know. Naturally, you'd help out your friend, right?
Wrong.
You break up the fight, and ask what's going on. It could be that the stranger did something bad to your friend,
or it could be the exact opposite.
Say your friend stole something from that stranger. If you were to engage with your bias, you would have helped beat up a kid who had his stuff stolen from your friend.
See what I mean? Regardless of context, having an unbiased state of mind is the ideal way for anyone to follow.
It was because people started pointing fingers at ALPHA, Falcon's military, and immediately assumed that he had done it, because "Sled certainly couldn't have done it."
They used the same excuse to accuse Falcon as they did to defend Sled: Lack of evidence.
Even when Falcon did prove legitimate evidence, he was then called a liar.
And when Sled did eventually confess, everyone who was mad about the missile suddenly became sunshine and rainbows, and "your actions don't define you queen!!!!" mode was engaged.
Not only was there bias, there was blatant hypocrisy and double standards.
I personally think bias is a bad thing. Regardless of who you are and what good deeds you've done as an individual, you are prone to making mistakes, like every human can. And when you do, you should face proper punishment, like every human should. Obviously we're not going to start hating on Sled, and we'll still support her because she's been a really helpful EH, but to post stuff like "Don't worry about the missile queen!!" AFTER you've bashed Falcon with insults for throwing a missile is blatant hypocrisy. And nobody even apologized until me, Fable, Eugee and some of the other boys insisted that whoever accused Falcon apologize immediately.
Bias is an unmistakable part of life, and whether someone can truly be purely unbiased is debatable, but as a human being, we should strive to be as unbiased as we can, so we don't let our favor in one thought or individual cause trouble for us.
Say your friend is having a fist fight with someone you don't know. Naturally, you'd help out your friend, right?
Wrong.
You break up the fight, and ask what's going on. It could be that the stranger did something bad to your friend,
or it could be the exact opposite.
Say your friend stole something from that stranger. If you were to engage with your bias, you would have helped beat up a kid who had his stuff stolen from your friend.
See what I mean? Regardless of context, having an unbiased state of mind is the ideal way for anyone to follow.
Truly it seems like people are more forgiving to an individual rather than a military personnel whose identity isn't known by many. People did overreact when pointing fingers, because with lack of information, anyone could've done it. Double standards? Of course I would say yes to that to a certain extent because the accused were much different from each other; that's because its miltary vs individual. I honestly don't think people were being all ditzy and innocent, and I think that was their genuine reaction after hearing about the situation. Most of the people accusing ALPHA were not your standard user, ones who are not really involved in the military. If those people accused a military of doing something without evidence, they are basically asking for war. People who don't understand enough or care about the specifics of the military probably did not take this situation as seriously. Everyone who was revived was obviously happy, because it wasn't as unfair as they had previously assumed. If that were the case, I think people also would've gone bat crazy accusing and punishing. One last thing is that it really goes to show how much people had trust in Sled that they thought she didn't do it. Most people that aren't that involved have a different perspective, and I'm sorry that this made you angry, since someone was innocent in this situation.
I may have worded it in a way that you didn't fully understand. There are many different types of bias, some bad, some good, some in between.
I don't think I can have a 100% unbiased mind when seeing my friend in a fist fight, certainly you know that. I would personally ask what's happening as long as neither party have a dangerous weapon. If both people told me that the other one stole something from one another, I would more likely believe my friend. If I found out it was my friend, I would be more disappointed than if they told me the truth, because they did two wrongdoings at once with the intent of getting me to believe they are innocent. If that were the case, it would take me a long time, if at all, to be close to that person again, because they not only did something illegal (steal), but they lied to my face about it.
If I'm more naive around my friends than with strangers, then I'm fine with that, because I trust my friend. But if they hurt me in some way, I have to think about the factors that caused them to do that thing, and evaluate what I take away from it and if I still want to be their friend. I want to trust the people who have showed me that I can trust them, and as long as I don't find out that everything about them is a sham, a lie, a big fat nothing, then I will probably forgive them to certain extent. It depends on their intentions and willingness they'd go to hurt you if they've been your friend for a while.
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9th August 2020, 06:40 PM
If a moderator wants to change the category for this, they can, but I think that this topic is up for debate so I’ll put it that way.
Of course, when something bad happens in the community, like a nuke from an unknown source, people want to go on the blame train. At first, even I was thinking it was Orbay, but that was more of a rumor if you will.
If I’ll be honest, I think that bias CAN be bad. But, in this certain case, it is proving to be a good thing. Let me explain what I mean. Bias in its core is not negative or positive. It can be seen as such depending on what the topic is. Political bias is always seen as bad from any opposing side. That’s probably the most prominent example that the majority of you will think of when you hear the word (and I don’t want to make this about politics, just making that clear, just an example). With political bias, people usually have certain opinions that are tough to change because that person has their own thoughts and opinions, which is great that we can have our own thoughts. Bias as a definition is actually biased (hot take), because people have a preset notion that it’s negative. The definition in most dictionaries uses words like prejudices, or favored unfairly to describe it.
But, in this certain case, there is a positive bias. People are willing to look past the actions of a user who made an honest mistake and can agree on the terms of the set punishment. The majority will not always be right, but in this case and many in the past, the members of the community know each other well enough to determine the characters of each other. If you don’t think that’s true, well this is the internet, and people are more likely to share secrets about themselves because they trust people in a tight-knit community.
Was there bias when it came to people’s thoughts because damen settled it with sled already? I think so. I think that people are more likely to accept an apology if it’s been accepted by other people and especially staff. But, this decision was up to Damen, and his mind was made. I, personally, think that any punishment or lack thereof is fine if it is done by Damen, because he has every right to do whatever he wishes, but I think that if it means people need to talk about it, they should, because this place is a community and needs feedback from many of its members, not just one or a few.
People like wilf, who no offense, basically just used this as an opportunity to promote himself for EH because he felt rejected by the current one, is not a good way of handling the situation. He made some good points in some of his posts, and I agree that there is some bias when it comes to creating punishments on experienced ranked users. This can be put to a double standard, and I want to acknowledge that. There have been some unfair forgivenesses and bad bias in the past, and I think someone like Roberto was a good example of that. Although he was very disciplinary and seemed to have everything in check, he was incredibly rude to the staff members and felt such a higher power over the users. He was treated so well, though, like a business contract that you don’t want to break. He put a lot of sense into people, but treated them less like people and more like paid workers. Less about him. In general, if sled were not as high up as she was at the time, I think the punishment would’ve been more severe for whoever committed it. That’s unfortunate, but when you gain trust over time and are especially a first time offender, you should be given more trust that you won’t do it again, which is why that someone doing something like this is inexcusable, but other factors should be taken into consideration. If sled got off scot-free, that would’ve been much more debatable of a conversation. Summary is, the more people know you in the community, the more they can trust you. It’s a bias that I’m willing to accept, because we have created bonds so tight that we are willing to forgive the negative actions of our users. As long as that person is not a repeat offender and can prove themself worthy of trust again, they can regain my trust. If sled were just demoted period, I also wouldn’t mind, because that’s just the punishment route that would be taken, and she’d have to accept that.
I agree on the fact that some wrongdoings are worse than others, but intention definitely matters. A nuke surely is horrible (and yes I am going to be serious about a penguin game because this stuff matters), but the intentions were to kill evildoers, and maybe a few passerby's if unlucky. The timing was poor, and the thoughtfulness of the decision was bad, but intentions were still to kill the malicious users. This was not with malicious intent, but rather misguided intent. A punishment was still made, temporary demotion with chance of regaining positions. If this were with malcontent and hate for the good side, then I would be more understanding of a harsher punishment.
As a community, I think it’s okay to be biased towards the users that have become a part of the community, with certain conditions like intent, trustworthiness, personality, and experience coming into play when creating a punishment. I’ve seen the mercy of players in the past few years, and I’m impressed at the maturity that we can have when forgiving others. Even though we can have some bad moments, there are so many more good ones that can overcome the bad ones. I don’t want to focus on the bad that much, because I know it can just create more negativity when other people see it’s acceptable. I’m proud of you all to be accepting of those in your community, but I want to remind you that it’s okay to have opinions and healthy debate as long as we are still following the rules. Don’t take everything too seriously, and step back when you see fit. If you feel like you’re in the right, but are at a point of mass opposition, you might just have to keep your opinions to yourself, because mass controversy isn’t a good idea. Majority isn’t always right, and same goes for the minority, but we must be mature when it comes to respecting others and the rules simultaneously. If there is an unfair punishment on someone, I trust the users to call it out when necessary.
I love you all, and I respect you as well. We just need to work as a community to make good decisions and prevent bad ones from happening. You’re smart, so think about your decisions and the impact they will have, whether it be on one side or the other. waddle on (:
Of course, when something bad happens in the community, like a nuke from an unknown source, people want to go on the blame train. At first, even I was thinking it was Orbay, but that was more of a rumor if you will.
If I’ll be honest, I think that bias CAN be bad. But, in this certain case, it is proving to be a good thing. Let me explain what I mean. Bias in its core is not negative or positive. It can be seen as such depending on what the topic is. Political bias is always seen as bad from any opposing side. That’s probably the most prominent example that the majority of you will think of when you hear the word (and I don’t want to make this about politics, just making that clear, just an example). With political bias, people usually have certain opinions that are tough to change because that person has their own thoughts and opinions, which is great that we can have our own thoughts. Bias as a definition is actually biased (hot take), because people have a preset notion that it’s negative. The definition in most dictionaries uses words like prejudices, or favored unfairly to describe it.
But, in this certain case, there is a positive bias. People are willing to look past the actions of a user who made an honest mistake and can agree on the terms of the set punishment. The majority will not always be right, but in this case and many in the past, the members of the community know each other well enough to determine the characters of each other. If you don’t think that’s true, well this is the internet, and people are more likely to share secrets about themselves because they trust people in a tight-knit community.
Was there bias when it came to people’s thoughts because damen settled it with sled already? I think so. I think that people are more likely to accept an apology if it’s been accepted by other people and especially staff. But, this decision was up to Damen, and his mind was made. I, personally, think that any punishment or lack thereof is fine if it is done by Damen, because he has every right to do whatever he wishes, but I think that if it means people need to talk about it, they should, because this place is a community and needs feedback from many of its members, not just one or a few.
People like wilf, who no offense, basically just used this as an opportunity to promote himself for EH because he felt rejected by the current one, is not a good way of handling the situation. He made some good points in some of his posts, and I agree that there is some bias when it comes to creating punishments on experienced ranked users. This can be put to a double standard, and I want to acknowledge that. There have been some unfair forgivenesses and bad bias in the past, and I think someone like Roberto was a good example of that. Although he was very disciplinary and seemed to have everything in check, he was incredibly rude to the staff members and felt such a higher power over the users. He was treated so well, though, like a business contract that you don’t want to break. He put a lot of sense into people, but treated them less like people and more like paid workers. Less about him. In general, if sled were not as high up as she was at the time, I think the punishment would’ve been more severe for whoever committed it. That’s unfortunate, but when you gain trust over time and are especially a first time offender, you should be given more trust that you won’t do it again, which is why that someone doing something like this is inexcusable, but other factors should be taken into consideration. If sled got off scot-free, that would’ve been much more debatable of a conversation. Summary is, the more people know you in the community, the more they can trust you. It’s a bias that I’m willing to accept, because we have created bonds so tight that we are willing to forgive the negative actions of our users. As long as that person is not a repeat offender and can prove themself worthy of trust again, they can regain my trust. If sled were just demoted period, I also wouldn’t mind, because that’s just the punishment route that would be taken, and she’d have to accept that.
I agree on the fact that some wrongdoings are worse than others, but intention definitely matters. A nuke surely is horrible (and yes I am going to be serious about a penguin game because this stuff matters), but the intentions were to kill evildoers, and maybe a few passerby's if unlucky. The timing was poor, and the thoughtfulness of the decision was bad, but intentions were still to kill the malicious users. This was not with malicious intent, but rather misguided intent. A punishment was still made, temporary demotion with chance of regaining positions. If this were with malcontent and hate for the good side, then I would be more understanding of a harsher punishment.
As a community, I think it’s okay to be biased towards the users that have become a part of the community, with certain conditions like intent, trustworthiness, personality, and experience coming into play when creating a punishment. I’ve seen the mercy of players in the past few years, and I’m impressed at the maturity that we can have when forgiving others. Even though we can have some bad moments, there are so many more good ones that can overcome the bad ones. I don’t want to focus on the bad that much, because I know it can just create more negativity when other people see it’s acceptable. I’m proud of you all to be accepting of those in your community, but I want to remind you that it’s okay to have opinions and healthy debate as long as we are still following the rules. Don’t take everything too seriously, and step back when you see fit. If you feel like you’re in the right, but are at a point of mass opposition, you might just have to keep your opinions to yourself, because mass controversy isn’t a good idea. Majority isn’t always right, and same goes for the minority, but we must be mature when it comes to respecting others and the rules simultaneously. If there is an unfair punishment on someone, I trust the users to call it out when necessary.
I love you all, and I respect you as well. We just need to work as a community to make good decisions and prevent bad ones from happening. You’re smart, so think about your decisions and the impact they will have, whether it be on one side or the other. waddle on (:
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War on The North
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4th August 2020, 09:09 PM
wow thats pretty cute that you all got in a little triangle battle formation i bet theyll be so threatened
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2nd August 2020, 04:13 PM
Q: Is cereal a soup?
A: no, you buffoon, cereal is a bowl salad with milk dressing and crunchy croutons.
Q: Are boneless chicken wings just chicken nuggets in disguise?
A: chicken nuggets are stuffed, and unnatural, and are separate things.
Q: Is a poptart ravioli?
A: Ravioli / noun: small pasta envelopes containing ground meat, cheese, or vegetables. / poptarts are none of the above, so wrong again.
Q: What color is nothing?
A: the color of my soul, which is also nothing
Q: Is a hotdog a sandwhich?
A: yes when in between a bun, no when stand alone
Q: Does a straw have two holes or one?
A: bruh if the two ends connect its one hole -_-
Q: If you are at a restaurant and your waiter doesn't come back, are you the waiter?
A: you spelled restaurant wrong so i fixed it
Q: Do fish get thirsty?
A: they absorb water through their gills and depending on the type of fish [freshwater/saltwater], they need to glug glug it to fill their thirstiness levels
Q: Is it gif or gif?
A: G-I-F
Q: Is everything debatable?
A: this isnt philosophical, you're just going through a phase
i think you might be an alien trying to act sneaky and ask us the important questions that will leave us vulnerable to world destruction, but uhhhhhh
A: no, you buffoon, cereal is a bowl salad with milk dressing and crunchy croutons.
Q: Are boneless chicken wings just chicken nuggets in disguise?
A: chicken nuggets are stuffed, and unnatural, and are separate things.
Q: Is a poptart ravioli?
A: Ravioli / noun: small pasta envelopes containing ground meat, cheese, or vegetables. / poptarts are none of the above, so wrong again.
Q: What color is nothing?
A: the color of my soul, which is also nothing
Q: Is a hotdog a sandwhich?
A: yes when in between a bun, no when stand alone
Q: Does a straw have two holes or one?
A: bruh if the two ends connect its one hole -_-
Q: If you are at a restaurant and your waiter doesn't come back, are you the waiter?
A: you spelled restaurant wrong so i fixed it
Q: Do fish get thirsty?
A: they absorb water through their gills and depending on the type of fish [freshwater/saltwater], they need to glug glug it to fill their thirstiness levels
Q: Is it gif or gif?
A: G-I-F
Q: Is everything debatable?
A: this isnt philosophical, you're just going through a phase
i think you might be an alien trying to act sneaky and ask us the important questions that will leave us vulnerable to world destruction, but uhhhhhh
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First sub-30 non-tas oldcp speedrun
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2nd August 2020, 11:38 AM
EbonJaeger wrote on 2nd August 2020, 11:14 AM:
So when are you gonna perform a run at a GDQ (Games Done Quick) charity event?
i think you mean dsgdq (Damen Spike Games Done Quick) Charity Event, good sir.
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First sub-30 non-tas oldcp speedrun
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2nd August 2020, 11:01 AM
lets GOOO great strat of already having a body in the most popular room, you always outsmart yourself
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OldCP Speedrun (2020 WR)
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1st August 2020, 04:58 PM
I see that you improved your run the second time, but have you considered just naming your penguin jrlannisbay to save a second or two? Your typing also seems a bit slow. If you had unlimited frames, I think you could’ve also saved a split second. There’s a lot of improvement to make, but then again this is a new category and this is a good start. Congrats on dying dude 
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My Perspective on the State of Oldcp
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1st August 2020, 10:40 AM
Saber574 wrote on 31st July 2020, 11:25 PM:
I'm not gonna comment on much because you summed up exactly what I've been thinking really, really, well.
However, I will speak on the topic that is most relevant to my rank on OldCP. Old CZ vs New CZ are two VERY different things. I was a Detective when theoldway and rooms like that were first found, and honestly, solving those mysteries really made the game enjoyable for me. Nowadays, CZ speaks through messengers who don't follow a script. Like Manwe, for example, places his bots on dorval and claims we must take it back, when the Empire's focus really has never been on dorval, but more so on the pressing matters of the falling of the North and South. I personally liked the Chapek CZ with the missing signs and even Mysmuggle CZ was cool at the start until it went downhill. For me, the best CZ is when all the users come to work together to investigate things, but if there's nothing to investigate, or the things that are to be investigated are classified orders, the users working together and getting involved in crimezone won't happen. I met some of my closest friends on here through solving mysteries and stuff back in 2014 and honestly I feel as if the whole "evil vs. good" endless battle of what side can get their bots buffed more or what side can get more op users and more op weapons divides the users in the community and creates the toxic environment that you also mentioned. It is clear that there is no plot now for CZ and Damen himself has even mentioned it a few times.
Even though I have a huge role in CZ, it frustrates me sometimes because the actors are so unpredictable and there really is no foundation for any sort of rules anymore. They are hard to talk to, hard to get information out of (aside from nook), and frankly it just gets super annoying being on and trying to interest yourself in what's happening. The reality is, as you also mentioned a lot of the users who used to play and who have come back to relive the nostalgia because of the COVID-19 pandemic lose interest fast and not everyone is going to be satisfied with the events and CZ happening. You can't make everyone happy, but to conclude, I believe that a major reform needs to happen in the area of Crimezone, as this is getting out of hand.
However, I will speak on the topic that is most relevant to my rank on OldCP. Old CZ vs New CZ are two VERY different things. I was a Detective when theoldway and rooms like that were first found, and honestly, solving those mysteries really made the game enjoyable for me. Nowadays, CZ speaks through messengers who don't follow a script. Like Manwe, for example, places his bots on dorval and claims we must take it back, when the Empire's focus really has never been on dorval, but more so on the pressing matters of the falling of the North and South. I personally liked the Chapek CZ with the missing signs and even Mysmuggle CZ was cool at the start until it went downhill. For me, the best CZ is when all the users come to work together to investigate things, but if there's nothing to investigate, or the things that are to be investigated are classified orders, the users working together and getting involved in crimezone won't happen. I met some of my closest friends on here through solving mysteries and stuff back in 2014 and honestly I feel as if the whole "evil vs. good" endless battle of what side can get their bots buffed more or what side can get more op users and more op weapons divides the users in the community and creates the toxic environment that you also mentioned. It is clear that there is no plot now for CZ and Damen himself has even mentioned it a few times.
Even though I have a huge role in CZ, it frustrates me sometimes because the actors are so unpredictable and there really is no foundation for any sort of rules anymore. They are hard to talk to, hard to get information out of (aside from nook), and frankly it just gets super annoying being on and trying to interest yourself in what's happening. The reality is, as you also mentioned a lot of the users who used to play and who have come back to relive the nostalgia because of the COVID-19 pandemic lose interest fast and not everyone is going to be satisfied with the events and CZ happening. You can't make everyone happy, but to conclude, I believe that a major reform needs to happen in the area of Crimezone, as this is getting out of hand.
I would like to add this as an honorary part of the post, considering that I'm not experienced enough with the CZ side of things. I honestly couldn't remember a lot of the specifics, but I know what I knew and I feel like this is very well put. I think a clear direction is where we want to go with CZ, whether it be an endless battle of good vs. evil or just people solving crimes. Even I don't think that's something that the good old days was different about when we were younger, I still would be interested in something today as long as there was some sort of clear direction, you know a satisfying ending would be nice, like chapters. It just takes a lot of head space to understand what all the background information and characters mean and I'm just not informed enough, so thank you!
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My Perspective on the State of Oldcp
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31st July 2020, 10:12 PM
With no experience in this war, and finding myself back here just recently, I still feel like I want to share my 2 cents with you all as another opinion.
It's no secret that the game is not what it used to be like, and even Damen himself admits it when he commented that people will never be happy, and I'd like to talk about another point that I'm reminded of when he said
I want to mention what I think of the game's current state, and why it seems to be overwhelmingly on the negative side. Here, I'm talking about oldcp. Damen has created plenty other games that myself and others have enjoyed, but right now I'm talking about the main one in this community.
I also want to say that I am not just here to complain. I love this community and I'm proud of the efforts of the users and staff and developers to make everything the way that it is and was. I want to give advice as I see necessary. I'm attempting to be more constructive than anything. Not everything can be changed, nor am I trying to force change. I am grateful for this game and this community, and I don't want to sound bossy when it isn't my responsibility to be playing a game if I don't enjoy it in the first place.
Activity and Community on Oldcp
Even just coming back, I’ve had people admit that people aren’t really on unless something interesting is happening like crimezone or events, and I don’t think I need much recent experience to agree with that when I try to go to the most popular room and I have no idea where it is. Hmm are there 3 people online or 122? Where is the most popular room? Is it on the training field or in a room infested with bots on another island. I’ve literally logged on and logged off because I was that confused.
I see that activity is declining because people have either moved on, or because people like seeing that other people are online. When that declines, you see a heavy decline in activity because this place is a community, and when you focus too much on the crimezone that's happening and not on the users, you'll see that being pushed aside is not enjoyable to the average person.
Events do help out, as they gather people and allow the community to have fun together, so thats a plus. But, with a war plaguing the people, and safety not being a priority, it makes the users feel less important than they are. Oldcp is sort-of a glorified chatbox if you take away the other aspects that make it special to other games. I realized that there was a discord server for this game still, and I foolishly asked for it, as if I'm not trying to defend the idea of oldcp being a chatbox with events. But, sometimes it is even easier than hopping on to oldcp, because you can follow everything at once and also have more features that in said chatbox.
A redeeming feature of oldcp is that there are characters with outfits, moods, transforms, weapons, that you can't find on discord. But, within the time of war, where it is quite easy to die whether you want to or not. Appealing for your penguin back as an ordinary user can be difficult if there isn't enough to help your case that you are innocent or deserving of your life back. People don't want to risk losing their accounts, so they might not go on their main account, or better yet log-in at all. These people want their accounts because it means something to them, and it demotivates those people when they're pushed aside like a punching bag with no good explanation. Balancing user satisfaction and fairness is always a good idea, but you have to make it clear what you are going to do and not to do. If anything, we need to be more reasonable at the moment when it comes to our userbase, because they are the ones pushing this game still.
Well... the userbase is a little carried by Damen. I appreciate his progress and efforts for this community, but sometimes it feels like Damen is relied too much on for it to be normal.
Of course, not everyone in this picture is serious, but yeah it is a problem that a lot of users look treat damen like a daddy complex and ask a lot from him personally. He has a lot to do, and sometimes can't be bothered with everyone's nitpicks or problems, with whatever severity they have. This can become a problem because certain users will feel more important than others, and perhaps even gain quite an ego because they are given ranks or thumbs up from the man himself. A lot of people that have certain positions (mostly military ones) have been involved in fighting and crimezone for what seems like an eternity. Applications are rarer than they used to be, because there just aren't enough opportunities for people nowadays, at least with newer users. Poor new users having a tough time getting into the community because it can be confusing, or walled out by unreachable ranks. They die and are like "oh this is lame". There is so much lore, and I missed so much of it in the past couple years. Theres a lot of lore that I still don't even understand to this day.
Last part of this section I wanna mention is other content unrelated to Oldcp, but still important because it relates to the community. To start, I enjoyed Leorpg, and even had some testing with Leorpg 2, which seems to be discontinued. That is honestly unfortunate, because I've seen many side projects of Jack's become discontinued because they weren't worth the effort for the output that was being produced. Penguin Isles, Snailschat, Leorpg are some that were enjoyed for a little bit, but just abandoned eventually. I think if anything, Jack needs to really think and focus on something that he wants to make, or take his talents somewhere else, no offense. With as much heart and responsibility and persevering/diligent as he is, I think he has the ability to use his knowledge to somewhere that his contributions can be very useful. The downside to that is that unless you create a game independently, you could just become a work drone whose name in the credits is underappreciated. This community is better suited for appreciation of his work, but I think Jack needs to make a choice on what he wants the future of this community to be like, and that's entirely up to him. I know that he has a career and that even this is merely a side-job, but IF he wants to do something on the side, he needs to figure out for himself.
Community is the most important in this current case, and changes probably need to be made to adjust to the users.
Weapons and the War
I recall hearing about how pistols are just meh now and that there are so many other weapons that are just overpowered or one-shot weapons. One-shot weapons should not be readily available, as it decreases the skill gap necessary to be a good fighter. Swordfighting and pistol-fighting are honest approaching, but if some evil dude comes in with 4 arms and a lightsaber, a bazooka, a nuke, and a sniper, you're gonna be in a load of trouble. In the hands of even an experienced fighter with great minds and senses, that fighter will not be perfect and can miss sometimes, so giving them more opportunities to perfect their skill and be diligent in their practice is a smart idea.
On the other hand, when a bot wields a one-shot weapon, you can spawn in a room and get toyed with by a robopenguin with no mercy and spawnkilling abilities. The bad thing with ai is that they can be near perfect, have senses better than any human, and can decide that they literally don’t want to miss a shot. Artificial intelligence can be so much smarter than a human, but the second you give it a task that it wasn’t meant to do off the track that it was meant to be on, it doesn’t really function well.
In strategy games like chess or a fighting game, you have an opponent, and we all know that those human players can be replaced with bots, or artificial intelligence. In a game like chess, you can scale the difficulty of the opponent if it is a computer player rather than a human. The slightly worse cpu will not play as effectively as the difficult cpu. The problem with the so-called difficult cpu is that it shouldn’t make any mistakes if it truly has the abilities that it has. Especially in a game like checkers where it is simpler than chess but has a similar playstyle, you can teach an ai to be perfect at the game. You can tell it to be ruthless. The computer will know every possible move that it can take, and take the best route according to the information it is given.
Apply this practice to the war we are current enduring. Having up to 100 bots online that can destroy you with op weapons and inhuman reactions is impossible to beat. I seen those bots come towards me before I even spawn, that's wrong. Just like the impossible checkers or chess cpu, except its bots with super powerful weapons. Even with a sword or a lightsaber, the bot can just block when it detects you are attacking, just like that. It is not fun nor fair to fight against something that will obliterate you time and time again without end. There are not really any GOOD strategies to defeat these bots. In most fighting games, there can be ai that fight against you, and learn what you do. They aren't perfect, and you can defeat these ai because they have to adjust to what you do. You can become unpredictable, and even find out the playstyle of your computer opponent easily. Humans will always find a way to win in these situations as long as they are fighting this ai on a leveled playing field. While the ai can hit it's moves at the right times, you can out-strategize it and beat it because you are simply smarter than it. Ai can either be stupidly intelligent or downright stupid. It might just go in a very long string of attacks because it thinks you are at the position it's attacking, so it keeps trying to go for you, but you aren't even in range. That's what I mean when I say they are just perfect except for being literally dumb at certain points.
You cannot, and I mean cannot, out-strategize these bots when they are on a high level playing field than you are. Even if you have super strong weaponry, they most likely do too, and can just wipe you out with not missing. C'mon, it's clearly unfair and people don't like it. Bots are bad at times when you want to have skill. If there aren't ways to out-strategize a bot with your humanly smarts, then you can't beat it at all. It's the same thing with video games tbh. SCALING UP THE BOSSES DIFFICULT DOES NOT MEAN MAKING IT SO STRONG THAT YOU CANT BEAT IT PURELY BECAUSE ITS STRONG AND OVERPOWERED. Like seriously? You can play a game and not beat this mysterious boss or level for 10+ times, but once you get into the groove of it and find out the right strategy, you're golden! But knowing your strategy and not beating something because it's stronger and has unfair tactics is like going into a war knowing you're going to die. We need fairness when it comes to war, so that any side can win. If that means making it all humans and recruiting people in desperate times, then so be it. We did it once before, and we can do it again to have our citizens fight a fair battle.
Old CZ vs New CZ
When crimezone first came out, it was mysteries that the people could solve. Events would happen in real time, and the people would still be mostly safe, while tracking down clues and defeating foes through logic and battles. Back then, anyone could notify people on what they found or what they did, but nowadays its just certain people with god-given abilities that can save the people. People love and hate crimezone, for their own reasons respectably, but I think it's good to give people chances as well. Its the same people having a grand old time and people just have to watch in the background as things happen and they wish they were there. People just need more chances, like it used to be. But then again, its not like we have a not of new users these days...
Are People Just Growing Up?
Yes and No. Whilst people have found reasons to leave because of their own adulthood and maturity, I would say that its totally reasonable to stay and still be mature. If people aren't enjoying the game, but still like the community enough to want to see its future and the changes it can have, it means they're loyal and want to have a better community.
More people are going the leave, though, when they see their friends leave, and its the same thing with activity. It spirals downward when the community dies down.
It does not at all help that sometimes the community can be toxic and just not enjoyable at points. People have left because they feel like its a chore, and not them having fun. This can be due in part to growing up, but I would say that having a good, pure community is an aspect to having a damn community at all.
It isn't the good ol' days anymore, and we aren't all young. Some of that creates sparks of enjoyment for the game, and that's okay if people want to leave for that reason. That just means we need to focus on the parts that keep the users here.
This game might not have a lot of time left, because of the downward spiral effect, because we are in a pandemic, if you haven't been told enough, and activity just isn't there. I don't know what needs to happens or what's going to happen, but the time left will be less enjoyable and shorter if we don't do something soon. Y'know I left out some things, but lord I can't write a 20 page essay right now.
It's no secret that the game is not what it used to be like, and even Damen himself admits it when he commented that people will never be happy, and I'd like to talk about another point that I'm reminded of when he said
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or you want it like 2013 again but when its like 2013 again it gets boring after 2 minutes because you're not 12 anymore. People hated cz in 2013 too so nothings changed.
I want to mention what I think of the game's current state, and why it seems to be overwhelmingly on the negative side. Here, I'm talking about oldcp. Damen has created plenty other games that myself and others have enjoyed, but right now I'm talking about the main one in this community.
I also want to say that I am not just here to complain. I love this community and I'm proud of the efforts of the users and staff and developers to make everything the way that it is and was. I want to give advice as I see necessary. I'm attempting to be more constructive than anything. Not everything can be changed, nor am I trying to force change. I am grateful for this game and this community, and I don't want to sound bossy when it isn't my responsibility to be playing a game if I don't enjoy it in the first place.
Activity and Community on Oldcp
Even just coming back, I’ve had people admit that people aren’t really on unless something interesting is happening like crimezone or events, and I don’t think I need much recent experience to agree with that when I try to go to the most popular room and I have no idea where it is. Hmm are there 3 people online or 122? Where is the most popular room? Is it on the training field or in a room infested with bots on another island. I’ve literally logged on and logged off because I was that confused.
I see that activity is declining because people have either moved on, or because people like seeing that other people are online. When that declines, you see a heavy decline in activity because this place is a community, and when you focus too much on the crimezone that's happening and not on the users, you'll see that being pushed aside is not enjoyable to the average person.
Events do help out, as they gather people and allow the community to have fun together, so thats a plus. But, with a war plaguing the people, and safety not being a priority, it makes the users feel less important than they are. Oldcp is sort-of a glorified chatbox if you take away the other aspects that make it special to other games. I realized that there was a discord server for this game still, and I foolishly asked for it, as if I'm not trying to defend the idea of oldcp being a chatbox with events. But, sometimes it is even easier than hopping on to oldcp, because you can follow everything at once and also have more features that in said chatbox.
A redeeming feature of oldcp is that there are characters with outfits, moods, transforms, weapons, that you can't find on discord. But, within the time of war, where it is quite easy to die whether you want to or not. Appealing for your penguin back as an ordinary user can be difficult if there isn't enough to help your case that you are innocent or deserving of your life back. People don't want to risk losing their accounts, so they might not go on their main account, or better yet log-in at all. These people want their accounts because it means something to them, and it demotivates those people when they're pushed aside like a punching bag with no good explanation. Balancing user satisfaction and fairness is always a good idea, but you have to make it clear what you are going to do and not to do. If anything, we need to be more reasonable at the moment when it comes to our userbase, because they are the ones pushing this game still.
Well... the userbase is a little carried by Damen. I appreciate his progress and efforts for this community, but sometimes it feels like Damen is relied too much on for it to be normal.
Of course, not everyone in this picture is serious, but yeah it is a problem that a lot of users look treat damen like a daddy complex and ask a lot from him personally. He has a lot to do, and sometimes can't be bothered with everyone's nitpicks or problems, with whatever severity they have. This can become a problem because certain users will feel more important than others, and perhaps even gain quite an ego because they are given ranks or thumbs up from the man himself. A lot of people that have certain positions (mostly military ones) have been involved in fighting and crimezone for what seems like an eternity. Applications are rarer than they used to be, because there just aren't enough opportunities for people nowadays, at least with newer users. Poor new users having a tough time getting into the community because it can be confusing, or walled out by unreachable ranks. They die and are like "oh this is lame". There is so much lore, and I missed so much of it in the past couple years. Theres a lot of lore that I still don't even understand to this day.
Last part of this section I wanna mention is other content unrelated to Oldcp, but still important because it relates to the community. To start, I enjoyed Leorpg, and even had some testing with Leorpg 2, which seems to be discontinued. That is honestly unfortunate, because I've seen many side projects of Jack's become discontinued because they weren't worth the effort for the output that was being produced. Penguin Isles, Snailschat, Leorpg are some that were enjoyed for a little bit, but just abandoned eventually. I think if anything, Jack needs to really think and focus on something that he wants to make, or take his talents somewhere else, no offense. With as much heart and responsibility and persevering/diligent as he is, I think he has the ability to use his knowledge to somewhere that his contributions can be very useful. The downside to that is that unless you create a game independently, you could just become a work drone whose name in the credits is underappreciated. This community is better suited for appreciation of his work, but I think Jack needs to make a choice on what he wants the future of this community to be like, and that's entirely up to him. I know that he has a career and that even this is merely a side-job, but IF he wants to do something on the side, he needs to figure out for himself.
Community is the most important in this current case, and changes probably need to be made to adjust to the users.
Weapons and the War
I recall hearing about how pistols are just meh now and that there are so many other weapons that are just overpowered or one-shot weapons. One-shot weapons should not be readily available, as it decreases the skill gap necessary to be a good fighter. Swordfighting and pistol-fighting are honest approaching, but if some evil dude comes in with 4 arms and a lightsaber, a bazooka, a nuke, and a sniper, you're gonna be in a load of trouble. In the hands of even an experienced fighter with great minds and senses, that fighter will not be perfect and can miss sometimes, so giving them more opportunities to perfect their skill and be diligent in their practice is a smart idea.
On the other hand, when a bot wields a one-shot weapon, you can spawn in a room and get toyed with by a robopenguin with no mercy and spawnkilling abilities. The bad thing with ai is that they can be near perfect, have senses better than any human, and can decide that they literally don’t want to miss a shot. Artificial intelligence can be so much smarter than a human, but the second you give it a task that it wasn’t meant to do off the track that it was meant to be on, it doesn’t really function well.
In strategy games like chess or a fighting game, you have an opponent, and we all know that those human players can be replaced with bots, or artificial intelligence. In a game like chess, you can scale the difficulty of the opponent if it is a computer player rather than a human. The slightly worse cpu will not play as effectively as the difficult cpu. The problem with the so-called difficult cpu is that it shouldn’t make any mistakes if it truly has the abilities that it has. Especially in a game like checkers where it is simpler than chess but has a similar playstyle, you can teach an ai to be perfect at the game. You can tell it to be ruthless. The computer will know every possible move that it can take, and take the best route according to the information it is given.
Apply this practice to the war we are current enduring. Having up to 100 bots online that can destroy you with op weapons and inhuman reactions is impossible to beat. I seen those bots come towards me before I even spawn, that's wrong. Just like the impossible checkers or chess cpu, except its bots with super powerful weapons. Even with a sword or a lightsaber, the bot can just block when it detects you are attacking, just like that. It is not fun nor fair to fight against something that will obliterate you time and time again without end. There are not really any GOOD strategies to defeat these bots. In most fighting games, there can be ai that fight against you, and learn what you do. They aren't perfect, and you can defeat these ai because they have to adjust to what you do. You can become unpredictable, and even find out the playstyle of your computer opponent easily. Humans will always find a way to win in these situations as long as they are fighting this ai on a leveled playing field. While the ai can hit it's moves at the right times, you can out-strategize it and beat it because you are simply smarter than it. Ai can either be stupidly intelligent or downright stupid. It might just go in a very long string of attacks because it thinks you are at the position it's attacking, so it keeps trying to go for you, but you aren't even in range. That's what I mean when I say they are just perfect except for being literally dumb at certain points.
You cannot, and I mean cannot, out-strategize these bots when they are on a high level playing field than you are. Even if you have super strong weaponry, they most likely do too, and can just wipe you out with not missing. C'mon, it's clearly unfair and people don't like it. Bots are bad at times when you want to have skill. If there aren't ways to out-strategize a bot with your humanly smarts, then you can't beat it at all. It's the same thing with video games tbh. SCALING UP THE BOSSES DIFFICULT DOES NOT MEAN MAKING IT SO STRONG THAT YOU CANT BEAT IT PURELY BECAUSE ITS STRONG AND OVERPOWERED. Like seriously? You can play a game and not beat this mysterious boss or level for 10+ times, but once you get into the groove of it and find out the right strategy, you're golden! But knowing your strategy and not beating something because it's stronger and has unfair tactics is like going into a war knowing you're going to die. We need fairness when it comes to war, so that any side can win. If that means making it all humans and recruiting people in desperate times, then so be it. We did it once before, and we can do it again to have our citizens fight a fair battle.
Old CZ vs New CZ
When crimezone first came out, it was mysteries that the people could solve. Events would happen in real time, and the people would still be mostly safe, while tracking down clues and defeating foes through logic and battles. Back then, anyone could notify people on what they found or what they did, but nowadays its just certain people with god-given abilities that can save the people. People love and hate crimezone, for their own reasons respectably, but I think it's good to give people chances as well. Its the same people having a grand old time and people just have to watch in the background as things happen and they wish they were there. People just need more chances, like it used to be. But then again, its not like we have a not of new users these days...
Are People Just Growing Up?
Yes and No. Whilst people have found reasons to leave because of their own adulthood and maturity, I would say that its totally reasonable to stay and still be mature. If people aren't enjoying the game, but still like the community enough to want to see its future and the changes it can have, it means they're loyal and want to have a better community.
More people are going the leave, though, when they see their friends leave, and its the same thing with activity. It spirals downward when the community dies down.
It does not at all help that sometimes the community can be toxic and just not enjoyable at points. People have left because they feel like its a chore, and not them having fun. This can be due in part to growing up, but I would say that having a good, pure community is an aspect to having a damn community at all.
It isn't the good ol' days anymore, and we aren't all young. Some of that creates sparks of enjoyment for the game, and that's okay if people want to leave for that reason. That just means we need to focus on the parts that keep the users here.
This game might not have a lot of time left, because of the downward spiral effect, because we are in a pandemic, if you haven't been told enough, and activity just isn't there. I don't know what needs to happens or what's going to happen, but the time left will be less enjoyable and shorter if we don't do something soon. Y'know I left out some things, but lord I can't write a 20 page essay right now.
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i expect the best literature from you. if you fail the users that graciously gave you those 4 reputation points, you shall be sentenced to a painful penguin death.
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Dice wrote on 22nd July 2020, 01:00 PM:
Are you sure PenguinDSC is dead? I did /lastonline and it doesn't say you're dead.
I might have a password that was randomized for protective reasons, I could probably get it changed if that account is still alive...
Zendaya2408 wrote on 22nd July 2020, 01:14 PM:
wow I doubt you'll remember me but hi
nonsense, I remember each and every one of you as long as it's under a name I've seen before
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