Also if you tell women to put these children up for adoption, then you should have adopted a child. Don't want to? Then you're not pro-life if you're gonna leave that child alone in a foster home.

MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Personally as a woman I couldnt even deal with periods at age 11 not only having another LIFE living inside of me. Once you're female and have to grow a child inside of you, THEN you can talk. And birth control AND protection doesnt always do the job.

MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 PM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
Yet abortion can cause an increased risk of anxiety and depression. Not only that, but they also have to live with the fact that they supported the death of a fetus living in their womb. Abortion can also be physically painful for the woman as well as the fetus. Rape is one of the few valid arguments of pro-choice. Besides that, women should be more responsible if they don't want to become pregnant.
I'm not gonna try to change your opinion because yeah, you don't have to like abortions and like I said before, if you don't morally agree with abortions feel free to not get one because it's not a requirement, it's a choice that women and men around the world have the right to for various of reasons that are justified in their own way. It's like you think an abortion works like this
Woman: Hey I want an abortion
Doctor: Why
Woman: just cuz
Doctor: kk cool lol lets go
There are a lot of factors that are considered up to the point of the decision. For example, planned parenthood gives a guide to people who are considering an abortion, which lists a few questions people want to ask themselves before making a decision this big.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion/considering-abortion
so yeah, they do understand the risks that come with an abortion. The woman or the man do whatever they can to make sure what they're doing is the best option they just dont go and be like "oopsie daisy lets just get an abortion it'll fix everything" ofc not, in reality it's never like that but that's how you're portraying it as and I just thought I had to clear that up because it's a type of decision no one wants to make but it SHOULD be there in case people need to; for example teen pregnancies or rape victims, or they're just not financially stable to even afford to have a baby, or afford to support the health of the mother during those 9 months, or they're just not ready at all. What if the mother has a disease that'll be transferred to the baby? What then?

MuscleBob1 wrote on 20th May 2019, 08:25 AM:
I agree that both men and women are responsible, however the woman is consenting to unprotected intercourse, therefore don't you think she should be aware that at least one of the two is using a birth control method?
Sure, but again, what about the male half? I don't understand why the focus is always on the female half.
MuscleBob1 wrote on 20th May 2019, 08:25 AM:
Aborting a fetus is like pulling the plug on a severely disabled person; neither of them have a choice. So, technically it is the fetus's body as well, and since you are pro choice, how are we going to give the fetus a choice in the situation?
Interesting analogy; not one I have seen before. I think this comes down to the definion of the word 'life.' When does an unborn baby's body become it's own, and not just an extension of the mother's? More on this later.
MuscleBob1 wrote on 20th May 2019, 08:25 AM:
And, since life begins during fertilization, abortion would also be violating the rights to life in the United States.
Does it though? Seems to be that the question of "when does life begin?" is still highly debated, without a definite answer. And it's a really hard question to answer, and seems to always come down to beliefs. So, let's quickly look at some definitions of the word 'life'.
From the Bing search result dictionary:
Quote:
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.
I would say that disqualifies a fetus from being considered 'alive.'
Meriam-Webster has almost 20 definitions for the word here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/life
Do you see anything there that would qualify an unborn fetus as 'alive'? If so, what and why?
I could go on here, but I think this post is long enough as it is.
Also, no, the United States Constitution doesn't mention anywhere any right to life. See https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/05/the_constitution_deprivation_of_life_and_personhood.html

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 09:59 PM:
Besides that, women should be more responsible if they don't want to become pregnant.
Ah, it's that simple, is it? The women should be wholey responisible, and everything else be damned. Except... It takes two to get pregnant, doesn't it? So why is the common arguement "women should be repsonisble"? And what about accidents? Contraceptive measures aren't entirely 100% effective. And what about the health considerations of both the mother and would-be child?
And using the foster system as an alternative. Heh. Over-crowded, under-funded, and under-staffed. That path has at least as many horrors in it than the topic of abortion itself.
What right do we have, does anyone have, to dictate what another person does involving their own body and biological process? I certainly couldn't presume to force my opinions on anyone else like that.

MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 09:59 PM:
sparklz wrote on 19th May 2019, 12:28 PM:
MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
why in the world should someone carry a child produced by a crime for 9 months? that would be painful mentally and physically for the woman, its not only the reminder of a horrific event, but the worst possible outcome of it too
Yet abortion can cause an increased risk of anxiety and depression. Not only that, but they also have to live with the fact that they supported the death of a fetus living in their womb. Abortion can also be physically painful for the woman as well as the fetus. Rape is one of the few valid arguments of pro-choice. Besides that, women should be more responsible if they don't want to become pregnant.
Your reasoning is very paternalistic, you're basically saying that women should be protect from themselves. Paradoxically, you say that they should be more responsible, however, paternalism and responsibilities (and responsibility means autonomy) are opposites. Anyway, women are responsible, do you really think that they consciously desire to have an abortion? Even for the most cautious and responsible women, birth control methods are not 100% efficient.
Firstly, women are aware that having an abortion is a traumatic process, they know it's painful and stressful. Even a spontaneous/natural abortion results in difficult consequences for a woman. Thus, nobody desires to have an abortion.
However, this collaborates with the pro-choice thesis. There are illegal and unsafe clinics that provide abortions and millions die due to the poor conditions of those clinics. By decriminalizing and by ensuring the right to have an abortion, women would be able to abort safely, following the correct medical procedures. Through these measures, those risks would be reduced.

MuscleBob1 wrote on 19th May 2019, 11:23 AM:
I am pro-life. Abortion takes a human's life and just shows that you are an irresponsible person. Unwanted pregnancies could easily be prevented by protection or birth control methods. If a woman is raped or cannot care for the child, she can just put him/her up for adoption to find a family that can. For unwanted pregnancies, other than rape, the parents are to blame for being irresponsible. Abortion is not justified and should be illegal.
why in the world should someone carry a child produced by a crime for 9 months? that would be painful mentally and physically for the woman, its not only the reminder of a horrific event, but the worst possible outcome of it too

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